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Chas 906 Silver Member Chuck Peterson
Iron Mountain, MI, USA   USA
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1961 MG Midget MkI "Little Red Rider"
I'm assuming because of the front and rear independent suspension?

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pinkyponk Adrian Page
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In reply to # 3666357 by Chas 906 I'm assuming because of the front and rear independent suspension?

Lol! Yes... the front suspension is independent from the rear on these cars.

There are no adjustments provided for the rear I am aware of.

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halloween Gregg B
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I made a toe gauge with a machinist square welded to an 1/8" X 1"X 4' srap iron with a 1' piece of strap welded to the other end at a right angle. It works on all my cars, even my '67 Chevy P/U.
GB

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refisk Rick Fisk
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Rick's statement is true to all extents when talking about an MG Midget, as we are here. There is no 4 wheel or thrust angle adjustment to the centerline of each axle on a Midget. If everything is bolted together properly and the chassis isn't bent the car will go down the road straight. There is nothing to adjust or that can be adjusted but toe. It isn't a Corvette. smileys with beer

In reply to # 3666340 by Colonel musturd 79 Rick's statment is true to some extent the acceptation is when performing a 4 wheel or thrust angle then all wheels are adjusted to the center line of each axle. In the old days before the modern alinement equipment we would have to aline the front susp. and then back the car on the machine to aline the rear susp. on cars like the Corvette, If not careful you could make the car go down the road sideways.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-01-22 10:37 AM by refisk.

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Colonel musturd 79 Michael McKinney
Winchester, VA, USA   USA
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1987 Pontiac Fiero "SILVER BULLET"
I am sorry I thought we were talking about ft end alignments. and the equipment we have used to achieve a proper alignment.



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Drewski William Estaver
SUMMERVILLE, SC, USA   USA
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Seth, Thanks for your alignment insights for 'string touching tires' and track variation.
Will be doing toe adjust after rack boot job.
Noted your spacer block of 0.775 to allow string at rear to align with front track.

After running that number against inch fractions and mm (31/40” or 19.685mm), I'm at a loss to find anything to use that meets that spec... save machining something.

Am I correct in thinking that if a string, extending past the back and front of the car, is set parallel to the rear rim centerline, but at a convenient 'X' distance to clear the body, the front rim can be adjusted using accurate measures off that parallel? Thus no spacer or extra person needed.
UPDATE:
Set up toe-in at 1/16 per side yesterday via string between jackstands method as a one man job, and took 1.5 hours from set up and finish.
Decided to use the horizontal centerline at the outside beads of rear rims as my parallel reference, with string about an inch away.
Started with 1/16" inch graduated tape measure, and final checked with dial caliper.
PO must have had it right because she tracks just as nicely as before the tie rod boot replacement.



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S1 Elan Kurt. Appley
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In reply to # 3666414 by halloween I made a toe gauge with a machinist square welded to an 1/8" X 1"X 4' srap iron with a 1' piece of strap welded to the other end at a right angle. It works on all my cars, even my '67 Chevy P/U.
GB

Gregg, in effect, a large carpenter square. That would work well.


My technique has been to always just use a pair of 8' 1"X4" boards sitting on appropriate blocks and extended out in front of the car and against the tires. Take one measurement then flip the boards over and take another. Average the two measurements to account for any warp in the boards. The method is accurate and no laying on the ground.

Kurt

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oleanderjoe Platinum Member Joseph Baba
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Align the front end, just like it has been done for 100 years, Of course, "TOE" was "Built-in" for cars like the Model "A", with a solid axle. Once Spring or Torsion Bars were invented, then "TOE" had to be set, after assembly. I am guessing that 90% of shops across the world, WITHOUT a $50,000.00 BEAR front end alignment machine use a "TRAMMEL BAR" I manufacture a nice one, Collapses to about 30" and extends out to about 85" Small enough for your Midget, BIG enough for your HONDA, or whatever. I fabricate them by "Special Order" so if you are interested, click on my "Banner Ad Below" or go directly to it here @ www.britishcarservicetools.com My Part# 031969 click on the "CONTACT" icon to order. Tech Service available. . This is a shop quality all-steel tool. smileys with beer


In reply to # 2013676 by mntoy Looking for the toe-in measurement recommended for my 62 Midget (1/8" more or less)?. Just completed a front disc brake conversion and want to check the alignment. I keep seeing people refering to the string method but cannot find it in the library or an old article, any help there would be nice too. Just want to read a different method.
Thanks,
Mike



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Chas 906 Silver Member Chuck Peterson
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Thanks for the info and your web site Joe. Just send you an order request. Best, Chuck.

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In reply to # 4625926 by Chas 906 Thanks for the info and your web site Joe. Just send you an order request. Best, Chuck.



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