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Folding back the canvas hood!
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Could someone please point me to instructions or a good video on folding down the canvas hood?
When I got the car, the hood was down, but not flat. The cover was snapped in back, but not closed in front.
For the life of me, I can't figure out how to get the three cross sticks to lie flat. I follow the instructions in the operations manual, and have the rear (window) portion pulled forward flat, and there's no canvas caught between the sticks. Manual just says "lower the sticks" - but they need to go down further. Pushed down as much as I can without bending something, they're still about six inches above the body, which prevents the hood cover from reaching the forward LTD fasteners.
Attached photos show the hood cover in place, but much too high which prevents the front LTD fasteners from reaching their target. Also two photos showing placement of sticks after following instructions in manual.
Thanks.
Tom M.
When I got the car, the hood was down, but not flat. The cover was snapped in back, but not closed in front.
For the life of me, I can't figure out how to get the three cross sticks to lie flat. I follow the instructions in the operations manual, and have the rear (window) portion pulled forward flat, and there's no canvas caught between the sticks. Manual just says "lower the sticks" - but they need to go down further. Pushed down as much as I can without bending something, they're still about six inches above the body, which prevents the hood cover from reaching the forward LTD fasteners.
Attached photos show the hood cover in place, but much too high which prevents the front LTD fasteners from reaching their target. Also two photos showing placement of sticks after following instructions in manual.
Thanks.
Tom M.
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Jul 4, 2017 08:00 PM
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Nice to see another black and green T series. I have a TF but it should be the same. Your photos are not the way it should be. Are you pulling all the canvas out over the fuel tank and folding as described? That should allow the sticks to go down in the rear area enough so the tonneau goes on properly. I've never seen any videos of putting the top down. Is there someone with a TD or TF in your area? Once you see it done you can replicate on your car.
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Thanks David. I finally figured it out. Part of the metal frame needs to be pulled forward - then the entire frame folds flat. That part wants to go straight down when lowering the hood frame, unless I remember to point it forward.
As there are no videos or good diagrams showing step by step, it took me several days.
Question for you: My TD has the original canvas hood, sidecurtains, hoodstick cover, and tonneau. They were probably last used about twenty years ago.
When raised, the hood doesn't *quite* reach the mounting points on the windscreen.
Is there a way to somehow stretch that fabric an inch or two?
Also, plastic window in the hood is split right across. I never plan to use the hood, but wondered if that plastic can be replaced - or must a completely new hood be installed.
Thanks.
Tom M.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-07-04 08:26 PM by tmorehouse.
As there are no videos or good diagrams showing step by step, it took me several days.
Question for you: My TD has the original canvas hood, sidecurtains, hoodstick cover, and tonneau. They were probably last used about twenty years ago.
When raised, the hood doesn't *quite* reach the mounting points on the windscreen.
Is there a way to somehow stretch that fabric an inch or two?
Also, plastic window in the hood is split right across. I never plan to use the hood, but wondered if that plastic can be replaced - or must a completely new hood be installed.
Thanks.
Tom M.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-07-04 08:26 PM by tmorehouse.
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Take lots of photos of the hood :-) Leave it in the sun for a while to see if that eases the fabric. My side screens are still original, the PO replaced the plastic using material from a boat repair place. My top is a much more recent replacement, I suspect that very few original tops exist any more.
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" ... I suspect that very few original tops exist any more."
There's an original in my garage! (Still puzzles me that there is no definitive document showing how to raise/lower the soft top, that actually matches the soft top and frame that's in the car.)
TM
There's an original in my garage! (Still puzzles me that there is no definitive document showing how to raise/lower the soft top, that actually matches the soft top and frame that's in the car.)
TM
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Jul 5, 2017 10:22 AM
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Tom, I agree, the heat will help stretch it - but if the canvas is that old it may not survive the stretch. If you have not already visited Abingdon Spares in Deep River, it would be worth a trip - they can tell you what options there are for your rear window. You may use the top more than you think.
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Thanks David. Just last week I went down to Deep River and met the guys at Abingdon Spares. Very helpful with my technical questions, and an excellent parts warehouse.
I'll do some experimenting with the soft top in the sun, and see how it goes. I'm also experimenting on making my own replacement tool wrap, from burlap and spray on rubber coating.
Tom M.
I'll do some experimenting with the soft top in the sun, and see how it goes. I'm also experimenting on making my own replacement tool wrap, from burlap and spray on rubber coating.
Tom M.
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Tom
The Work Shop Manual does show you how to fold the hood down. Also how to put the side screens in the back pocket correctly.
Albeit a tad short on description but the essence is there.
Maine point is pull out to the rear all the material between the hood sticks other then the back panel with the window in it.
Also if your hood is down for any length of time - fold down the draft valance on the front bow [forward - towards the front of the car] to help it stay against the windscreen when you do put it back up.
I think from what you have said you have discovered all this already
Rod
The Work Shop Manual does show you how to fold the hood down. Also how to put the side screens in the back pocket correctly.
Albeit a tad short on description but the essence is there.
Maine point is pull out to the rear all the material between the hood sticks other then the back panel with the window in it.
Also if your hood is down for any length of time - fold down the draft valance on the front bow [forward - towards the front of the car] to help it stay against the windscreen when you do put it back up.
I think from what you have said you have discovered all this already
Rod
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Thanks Rod. I tried to follow the Ops Manual as well as the Workshop Manual. Fortunately I pulled the folds away from the frame and toward the back so they're not caught in the bows, and pulled the rear window panel forward as directed. However, figure #1 doesn't show the folding frame mechanism I have. Drawing #1 shows a horizontal bar on each side, with two vertical bars below it. Mine has more parts there. And "release the press buttons on each side" puzzles me, as I find nothing to press either on the canvas or the folding frame. Anyway, it's nicely folded down now, and the hoodstick cover is flat. See attached.
Next time I have the hood opened up I'll take some photos of the frame. There must have been a change in the hood frame between the time the manuals were created, and when my car was manufactured.
Tom M.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-07-05 01:11 PM by tmorehouse.
Next time I have the hood opened up I'll take some photos of the frame. There must have been a change in the hood frame between the time the manuals were created, and when my car was manufactured.
Tom M.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-07-05 01:11 PM by tmorehouse.
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Tom
Yours is probably like mine a 1953 TD. Which has the later 3 bow hood not the 2 bow earlier hood.
However the folding procedure is the same for both.
The press studs on each side - I believe were STD - and allow for a little give on the sides when folding the hood down.
These are the two hoods shapes You can see the two press studs as well.
Yours is probably like mine a 1953 TD. Which has the later 3 bow hood not the 2 bow earlier hood.
However the folding procedure is the same for both.
The press studs on each side - I believe were STD - and allow for a little give on the sides when folding the hood down.
These are the two hoods shapes You can see the two press studs as well.
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STD just means Standard. Both the TD's I have owned had these.
I thought everyone did?
IF you have a 53 TD I would have thought you would also have a 3 bow hood? (pic 1)
I can see 3 bows in your first pictures??
Are you sure - window is not the defining point.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-07-05 03:09 PM by Rod782.
I thought everyone did?
IF you have a 53 TD I would have thought you would also have a 3 bow hood? (pic 1)
I can see 3 bows in your first pictures??
Are you sure - window is not the defining point.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-07-05 03:09 PM by Rod782.
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Tom,
Your first and last picture make me think that you do not use the tonneau bar. You should put the straps of the tonneau cover behind the bar. Gives a far better total look. And if you want to pick something from under the tonneau you just loosen the lift-the-dots at the rear.
Just couldn't resist, sorry...
Jasper
Your first and last picture make me think that you do not use the tonneau bar. You should put the straps of the tonneau cover behind the bar. Gives a far better total look. And if you want to pick something from under the tonneau you just loosen the lift-the-dots at the rear.
Just couldn't resist, sorry...
Jasper
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Rod - you're absolutely right. I have a three stick frame (not two stick). The hood itself has the smaller rear window.
Every day I learn something new. What Jasper calls the "tonneau cover" covering the folded hood I always thought was the "hood stick cover". What you see in the photo of my post #9.
And I always thought a "tonneau cover" was the full cover for the cockpit, with an opening for the driver if needed. Like:
I have that also (it's black, not tan), but not on the car.
Thanks for the tip on the tonneau bar. I moved the straps to the other side of the bar. How's this? (attached)
Every day I learn something new. What Jasper calls the "tonneau cover" covering the folded hood I always thought was the "hood stick cover". What you see in the photo of my post #9.
And I always thought a "tonneau cover" was the full cover for the cockpit, with an opening for the driver if needed. Like:
I have that also (it's black, not tan), but not on the car.
Thanks for the tip on the tonneau bar. I moved the straps to the other side of the bar. How's this? (attached)
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