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vented oil filler cap.
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I have a 77 B. My question is this: 1) If there is a line from the valve cover to the canister, is my oil filler cap non-vented. If I remove the line from the valve cover,to the canister and plug it will a vented oil filler suffice? 2) If the vented cap will work, should the line from the valve cover be plugged/removed of a small air filter be installed. I am also planning to remove the line from the tappet cover to the Weber downdraft and substituting a small air filter.
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In reply to # 4787616 by 74chromebumper
I have a 77 B. My question is this: 1) If there is a line from the valve cover to the canister, is my oil filler cap non-vented. If I remove the line from the valve cover,to the canister and plug it will a vented oil filler suffice? 2) If the vented cap will work, should the line from the valve cover be plugged/removed of a small air filter be installed. I am also planning to remove the line from the tappet cover to the Weber downdraft and substituting a small air filter.
The charcoal cannister, if recent and functional is a much better filter than anything you can install.
So;
1) yes and yes
2) plug it
removing the hose from the front tappet cover to the aftermarket carburetter isn't a very good idea. Read up on positive crankcase ventilation systems to familiarize your self. This is a mega critical system for a healthy crankcase.
Let me side with Keith and ask, why?
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A Bruce said, the PCV system is mega critical. Have a read here, on Paul Hunt's excellent website.
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/enginetext.htm#breathing
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I recently refurbed the evap canister system in my '80 MGB as the experts suggested that the system be kept and in working order. That includes non-vented oil filler and fuel filler caps. It should also be noted that there's a very small (5/64 in. hole, I believe) orifice in the metal pipe at the rear end of the valve cover where the canister hose attaches that needs to be opened as they tend to plug up over time. I found mine plugged in my 49 K mile car.
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Be careful messing round with the fuel tank vent. In the UK the tanks are vented through the filler cap. Just after I bought my GT I got a lockable filler cap from a well known MGB vendor over here. Couple of days later the car wouldn't start. It sounded like a lack of fuel but the gauge said 1/4 full. Being used to Austin Healley gauges I thought the tank must be empty. I undid the fuel cap and heard a rush of air into the tank. No mmore problems.
A few days later I was inspecting the underside (new car) and noticed that the bottom of the tank had lifted about an inch. The vacuum had destroyed a new tank.
There are two types of fuel cap. Vented for the UK and non vented for the US. They sent me the wrong opne.
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A few days later I was inspecting the underside (new car) and noticed that the bottom of the tank had lifted about an inch. The vacuum had destroyed a new tank.
There are two types of fuel cap. Vented for the UK and non vented for the US. They sent me the wrong opne.
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X2 on the filler cap being vented if the OEM venting system is dismantled. In my case the engine shut off, but the tank fortunately did not distort.
You can convert a non-vented fuel filler cap to a vented one by cutting a part of its rubber seal away, which I did in the end
Looking back I am still happy with the removal of the airpump, gulp valve and the attachment to the block, but maybe I should have left the venting from the gastank and the carbon canister as it was OEM. Still at the time the gastank needed renewal and at the time this special version was n.a. . Gastanks for a vented system not only have the attachment to the expansion gastank in place, but also possess a complicated internal modification
You can convert a non-vented fuel filler cap to a vented one by cutting a part of its rubber seal away, which I did in the end
Looking back I am still happy with the removal of the airpump, gulp valve and the attachment to the block, but maybe I should have left the venting from the gastank and the carbon canister as it was OEM. Still at the time the gastank needed renewal and at the time this special version was n.a. . Gastanks for a vented system not only have the attachment to the expansion gastank in place, but also possess a complicated internal modification
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Be careful messing round with the fuel tank vent. In the UK the tanks are vented through the filler cap. Just after I bought my GT I got a lockable filler cap from a well known MGB vendor over here. Couple of days later the car wouldn't start. It sounded like a lack of fuel but the gauge said 1/4 full. Being used to Austin Healley gauges I thought the tank must be empty. I undid the fuel cap and heard a rush of air into the tank. No mmore problems.
A few days later I was inspecting the underside (new car) and noticed that the bottom of the tank had lifted about an inch. The vacuum had destroyed a new tank.
There are two types of fuel cap. Vented for the UK and non vented for the US. They sent me the wrong opne.
AJ
A few days later I was inspecting the underside (new car) and noticed that the bottom of the tank had lifted about an inch. The vacuum had destroyed a new tank.
There are two types of fuel cap. Vented for the UK and non vented for the US. They sent me the wrong opne.
AJ
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Will do...right after I accept your charitable donation ! Like the old adage say, " If it ain't broke don't fix it". The car runs great with the Weber, no Cat, new exhaust and fuel tank. It sounds like I may go the route of a new vented filler. I might as well stir the pot some more... what is the advantage of leaving the tappet line to the carb only to have it accumulate a mist of oil? With a vented oil filler cap and leaving the canister line to the valve cover will that be redundant?
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Your engine breathes, like this:- Fresh air into the engine through the charcoal canister, therefore the non vent oil filler cap. Dirty air, including oil fumes/vapour, out through the combustion chamber via the tappet cover vent, slight vacuum required.
Oil as a liquid is supposed to be captured inside the tappet cover which is filled with a curly steel wool type material to facilitate this part of the breathing process. The tappet cover cavity should be cleaned out from time to time to prevent liquid oil from being drawn into the carburetor.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-04-22 04:46 PM by lewk.
Your engine breathes, like this:- Fresh air into the engine through the charcoal canister, therefore the non vent oil filler cap. Dirty air, including oil fumes/vapour, out through the combustion chamber via the tappet cover vent, slight vacuum required.
Oil as a liquid is supposed to be captured inside the tappet cover which is filled with a curly steel wool type material to facilitate this part of the breathing process. The tappet cover cavity should be cleaned out from time to time to prevent liquid oil from being drawn into the carburetor.
In reply to # 4787911 by 74chromebumper
Will do...right after I accept your charitable donation ! Like the old adage say, " If it ain't broke don't fix it". The car runs great with the Weber, no Cat, new exhaust and fuel tank. It sounds like I may go the route of a new vented filler. I might as well stir the pot some more... what is the advantage of leaving the tappet line to the carb only to have it accumulate a mist of oil? With a vented oil filler cap and leaving the canister line to the valve cover will that be redundant?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-04-22 04:46 PM by lewk.
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