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What Else, My Midget
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  This topic is about my 1967 MG Midget
Bandslak Brian Lake
Oshawa, ON, Canada   CAN
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Ok, what is the secret to preventing the choke cable from straightening out and barely opening the choke when you go to start your car?

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MassMidget74 Ted C.
Wrentham, MA, USA   USA
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Straightening out? If you mean how to hold it in the open or locked position, pull out and twist clockwise to lock.

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Bandslak Brian Lake
Oshawa, ON, Canada   CAN
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No, I mean laying (flat, straight, level) out until just above the attachment to the choke. I've gone through a few choke cables. Most times it feels like I might pull the dash off trying to pull the choke.

I have attached a metal wheel on top of the rocker cover and it does work a little better but I don't think I will be able to leave it there because the air filters may not fit.

I should have taken a few pictures to show. Maybe tomorrow.

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Billm Gold Member Bill Masquelier
Santee, CA, USA   USA
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When a choke cable is really hard to pull I usually pull the cable mostly out and grease it as I push it back in. Definitely helps.
Billm

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Bandslak Brian Lake
Oshawa, ON, Canada   CAN
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I know that's not the problem. I'll have to try and take a few pictures.

I'm beginning to think its the cable itself. I haven't seen many but a few I have seen have a upward loop in the cable which then goes down through the pipe and connects to the choke arm.

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pbcjr peter cantamessa
east brunswick, NJ, USA   USA
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It may be that you have a solid inner cable instead of a stranded cable.
Solid cables are designed to pull and push, and need to be stiff to push. like the cable for the heater box air inlet flap.
Stranded cables are designed only to pull, not push, like a choke cable. The chokes don't rely on the cable to push the choke to the "off" position because there are return springs on the choke linkage to do that job.
Solid cables are stiff, and don't like a tight radius curve. The stranded cables are very flexible, and aren't fussy about curves.
I fought with a solid choke cable in my '71 for years until I realized what the problem was. I switched to a stranded cable, and it's a world of difference.


In 1974 when I was 18, I passed on buying a running and driving 1966 E-Type coupe for $1,500, which is what they were selling for at the time.
Fifty years later, I'm still kicking myself...



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Bandslak Brian Lake
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That sounds reasonable to me, I don't think I ever knew that before. I would just go to the auto store and get a "choke cable" they were selling.

Thanks, I'll give that a try.....

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pbcjr peter cantamessa
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I got mine from Moss. PN 331-240. About $14.
It also locks into position with a twist to the right wherever you want it to be when the choke is on.


In 1974 when I was 18, I passed on buying a running and driving 1966 E-Type coupe for $1,500, which is what they were selling for at the time.
Fifty years later, I'm still kicking myself...



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Bandslak Brian Lake
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Thanks Peter, I don't think there is a problem but I see it is for a 68, mine is 67.

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pbcjr peter cantamessa
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In reply to # 4787747 by Bandslak Thanks Peter, I don't think there is a problem but I see it is for a 68, mine is 67.

Moss says the 331-080 cable fits the '67, but it's $47.
Maybe others will know if the cable I used will fit your car.


In 1974 when I was 18, I passed on buying a running and driving 1966 E-Type coupe for $1,500, which is what they were selling for at the time.
Fifty years later, I'm still kicking myself...



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ACW270 Karl Thompson
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It is generally more helpful to use company part numbers than Moss sales numbers. These will allow you to compare which part goes with which model, including using Moss's own excellent website site. See item 25 for the two choke cables used on 1275cc Spridgets:

https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/shop-by-model/mg/midget/fuel-system-induction-controls/engine-controls/engine-controls-emission-sprite-iv-midget-iii-1500-1967-79.html



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ACW270 Karl Thompson
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The exploded views are also helpful in working out routings and related parts. The cable fixes to the dash, is protected by a grommet at the bulkhead, supported by a band at the side of the heater before being held at the rear carb by a trunion fastener.

I use these drawings a lot as the MGOC, my nearest source of supply, does not cater for early Spridgets but I can tell if the parts they do sell are the same part numbers for my Mk2 Midget.



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scotty1998 Scott Gibson
WATKINS Glen, NY, USA   USA
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Just to chime in here because on my '72, I just replaced mine. You probably already know all this already but mine simply feeds through the firewall, through a grommet and then naturally curves down to the carb linkage. I'm wondering if your linkage is bound up, or, your linkage isn't adjusted properly? Are your jets sliding up and down in the bearings easily enough? What about your linkage pivots too? Perhaps they're loose and binding? Finally, what about your fast idle screw positions?

I see Karl mentions a strap at the heater box which mine doesn't have so, I'll need to install something similar. Where exactly does this go Karl?


1972 MG Midget MKIII "The VB Weller"
55,400 Miles
Watkins Glen, NY



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ACW270 Karl Thompson
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The heater box is held together with clips across the sides and top. One of these on the carb side is used as an anchor for the choke cable clip. The clip is part 28.


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scotty1998 Scott Gibson
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Ahh, yah, that makes sense. I'll zip tie mine until I can get a proper one.

Thanks.


1972 MG Midget MKIII "The VB Weller"
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Watkins Glen, NY

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