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My jobber only has samples books of modern paints. 10 years at most. Almost all are metallic. I want a medium dark dusty blue in a solid single stage. Going by on-line paint samples for BMC, something like Island Blue maybe, BU8, or Mineral Blue BU9, but that may be too strong. Where can I actually see this color and how would I translate it to something I can BUY.
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My experience having cars painted over the last 40 years, is to go to your local auto body shop, and have them do the final urethane color and clear coat, which has been used on modern cars for quite a few years.
I do my own preparation, stripping all the paint off the MG down to bare metal. Then, I take care of all the dents, rust holes and other problems, and then prime the car.
Next, use body filler, as appropriate to take care of all the defects, and carefully work on making the body's outer surface perfectly smooth.
I painted my first car in 1955. That was a 1929 Model A Ford Sports Coupe.
The most recent paint preparation of my 1977 MGB, that was painted first in 1985, and then it suffered a $4000 deer hit in 2014. I chose to buy the body parts from Moss in Goleta, CA, and installed the Heritage (body parts from the original tooling) and install them myself. I purchased a new hood, right front fender, and a new door skin for the right door.
Then, I made one extra step, just to see if it could be done. I applied body filler about six inches wide on each side of the different body panels, the hood, front fenders, doors, rear fenders and the trunk lid.
Then I used a Straight Line Air Sander, which uses a standard sticky back abrasive, available at the stores sell auto paint and all other items necessary to paint a car. This sander is uses a 2-3/4" x 15-1/2" sanding pad. This is the Eastwood version for $70:
http://www.eastwood.com/straight-line-air-sander.html
This is the Harbor Freight version for $35:
http://www.harborfreight.com/air-inline-sander-62528.html
The Harbor Freight may not last, if you used it every day; but, mine has lasted for very many years, painting more than a few cars.
My more recent paint job on my 1977 MGB, that I have painted twice, once in 1983, and again in 2014, with 79,000 miles of fun between those years, now has a gold metallic urethane paint with clear coat (applied by professions at the local body shop, because the urethane is very toxic and requires fresh-air breathing equipment. The external body is as smooth as my much newer Mercedes.
Roger N. Tanner
Professional Engineer, Retired
I do my own preparation, stripping all the paint off the MG down to bare metal. Then, I take care of all the dents, rust holes and other problems, and then prime the car.
Next, use body filler, as appropriate to take care of all the defects, and carefully work on making the body's outer surface perfectly smooth.
I painted my first car in 1955. That was a 1929 Model A Ford Sports Coupe.
The most recent paint preparation of my 1977 MGB, that was painted first in 1985, and then it suffered a $4000 deer hit in 2014. I chose to buy the body parts from Moss in Goleta, CA, and installed the Heritage (body parts from the original tooling) and install them myself. I purchased a new hood, right front fender, and a new door skin for the right door.
Then, I made one extra step, just to see if it could be done. I applied body filler about six inches wide on each side of the different body panels, the hood, front fenders, doors, rear fenders and the trunk lid.
Then I used a Straight Line Air Sander, which uses a standard sticky back abrasive, available at the stores sell auto paint and all other items necessary to paint a car. This sander is uses a 2-3/4" x 15-1/2" sanding pad. This is the Eastwood version for $70:
http://www.eastwood.com/straight-line-air-sander.html
This is the Harbor Freight version for $35:
http://www.harborfreight.com/air-inline-sander-62528.html
The Harbor Freight may not last, if you used it every day; but, mine has lasted for very many years, painting more than a few cars.
My more recent paint job on my 1977 MGB, that I have painted twice, once in 1983, and again in 2014, with 79,000 miles of fun between those years, now has a gold metallic urethane paint with clear coat (applied by professions at the local body shop, because the urethane is very toxic and requires fresh-air breathing equipment. The external body is as smooth as my much newer Mercedes.
Roger N. Tanner
Professional Engineer, Retired
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Try TCP Global, Scott. They carry nostalgic colors in BMC and other codes.
Good paint at budget pricing.
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Good paint at budget pricing.
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A decent paint store should be able to look up things. I just bought some Axalta for my Sandglow '76, based on the original paint code. Had the PPG number from the moss catalog as a back up. Didn't take him very long to find it.
Got a single stage urethane, and they mixed it right up, out the door I went.
1974-1/2 Roadster, "Bumble Bee", Corvette Yellow - in shambles, wire wheels
1976 Roadster, "Virus", Sandglow - "driver" condition (stock + 32/36 Weber DGEV, cast iron header, 25D distributor), bolt on wheels, ON the road!
Got a single stage urethane, and they mixed it right up, out the door I went.
1974-1/2 Roadster, "Bumble Bee", Corvette Yellow - in shambles, wire wheels
1976 Roadster, "Virus", Sandglow - "driver" condition (stock + 32/36 Weber DGEV, cast iron header, 25D distributor), bolt on wheels, ON the road!
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I have to go along with Rob on this.
But I would have so say that your local paint supplier isn't trying very hard.
The local supplier in my area takes pretty good care of me but I have known him for 30 years.
My local Maaco guy knows his colors and I have been known to buy paint from Maaco.
But I would have so say that your local paint supplier isn't trying very hard.
The local supplier in my area takes pretty good care of me but I have known him for 30 years.
My local Maaco guy knows his colors and I have been known to buy paint from Maaco.
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http://www.autocolorlibrary.com from TCP
They also carry a good bare metal to paint book
And a line of restoration colors for out of the box thinkers
http://www.tcpglobal.com/Automotive-Paint/Restoration-Shop/
http://www.tcpglobal.com/RSP-AU1506-KIT-M.html#.V8YUV-hlDxA
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-30 06:20 PM by ohlord.
They also carry a good bare metal to paint book
And a line of restoration colors for out of the box thinkers
http://www.tcpglobal.com/Automotive-Paint/Restoration-Shop/
http://www.tcpglobal.com/RSP-AU1506-KIT-M.html#.V8YUV-hlDxA
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-30 06:20 PM by ohlord.
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Will do Rob. Probably cheaper than the jobber anyway.
I decided I am doing the total job myself. I did find a maybe good blue in the Dupont industrial catalog. The paint store only has books for about the last ten years. They don't try anything for hobbyists. They don't do much more for pros, but the pro knows what they need. The the previous owners did not even want to deal with an amature. I am sure it depends on where you live. Somewhere in DC where I don't dare go without an armed escort, there is probably some old shop that still has the books showing the total extent of Model T colors. ( very short book Not around here.
FWIW, using Nasan epoxy primer/sealer. Lays out nice.
Cogito ergo sum periculoso
I decided I am doing the total job myself. I did find a maybe good blue in the Dupont industrial catalog. The paint store only has books for about the last ten years. They don't try anything for hobbyists. They don't do much more for pros, but the pro knows what they need. The the previous owners did not even want to deal with an amature. I am sure it depends on where you live. Somewhere in DC where I don't dare go without an armed escort, there is probably some old shop that still has the books showing the total extent of Model T colors. ( very short book Not around here.
FWIW, using Nasan epoxy primer/sealer. Lays out nice.
Cogito ergo sum periculoso
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Aug 31, 2016 08:13 PM
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any body shop worth its salt can match any paint color you bring to them heres what i have on colors for different years
http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/
The Handsome Devil
http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/
The Handsome Devil
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Those colors aren't accurate. Places like tcp you can get actual color samples.
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In reply to # 3345081 by The Barber
any body shop worth its salt can match any paint color you bring to them heres what i have on colors for different years
http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/
http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/
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well my guy didnt have a problem matching my paint perfectly
just wondering since im new here how could they be wrong if they are paint codes maybe im missing something
The Handsome Devil
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-31 08:41 PM by The Barber.
just wondering since im new here how could they be wrong if they are paint codes maybe im missing something
The Handsome Devil
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-08-31 08:41 PM by The Barber.
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Not based off the
http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/
Site
Scott isn't looking to match a stock color on the car
He's looking for samples of period correct colors
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http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/
Site
Scott isn't looking to match a stock color on the car
He's looking for samples of period correct colors
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For California readers.
Almost all of the stuff sold by out of state vendors (Including Summit, etc) cannot be legally used in California. And, more to the point, cannot be legally shipped into California.
I had an unhappy experience with this with Summit. The stuff I could get cost more and took longer to get and was the wrong stuff according to what I thought I';d ordered. And the phone call ordering it took more than an hour cause their heads were inspecting their colons eyeball directly.
Vehicle paint vendors with stores seem to fall into two or three groups from my experience. First Group: unless you are a commercial shop, they don't have any idea what you are talking or asking about. Ask if they sell paint, they will look thru their catalogs and say they can't find it. Walk away. Second group: they will sell anyone anything. Answers to questions are suspect because they are not information vendors: buyers need to know wtf they want. Good place to go if you do know wtf you want. Third group: a place that works mostly with pros but has helpful and seemingly knowledgeable counter people as well. I found one of these, Sherwin-Williams in Sacramento.
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Almost all of the stuff sold by out of state vendors (Including Summit, etc) cannot be legally used in California. And, more to the point, cannot be legally shipped into California.
I had an unhappy experience with this with Summit. The stuff I could get cost more and took longer to get and was the wrong stuff according to what I thought I';d ordered. And the phone call ordering it took more than an hour cause their heads were inspecting their colons eyeball directly.
Vehicle paint vendors with stores seem to fall into two or three groups from my experience. First Group: unless you are a commercial shop, they don't have any idea what you are talking or asking about. Ask if they sell paint, they will look thru their catalogs and say they can't find it. Walk away. Second group: they will sell anyone anything. Answers to questions are suspect because they are not information vendors: buyers need to know wtf they want. Good place to go if you do know wtf you want. Third group: a place that works mostly with pros but has helpful and seemingly knowledgeable counter people as well. I found one of these, Sherwin-Williams in Sacramento.
1973 Pale Primrose Roadster. A nice 10-footer!
SUs, Datsun 5-speed
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Mac, TCP has paints specifically for calif regulations
You just check the box
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You just check the box
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Take most bmc paint codes into a paint auto supplier and the code won't match any current formulation.
That's why they shoot it with a gun
The tinting colors have changed over the years.
The codes if just punched in won't yield the same color as OEM
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That's why they shoot it with a gun
The tinting colors have changed over the years.
The codes if just punched in won't yield the same color as OEM
In reply to # 3345096 by The Barber
well my guy didnt have a problem matching my paint perfectly
just wondering since im new here how could they be wrong if they are paint codes maybe im missing something
just wondering since im new here how could they be wrong if they are paint codes maybe im missing something
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