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Please check my engine removal pick points #1 This topic is about my 1961 MG Midget MkI
Chas 906 Chuck Peterson Iron Mountain, MI, USA Sign in to contact 1961 MG Midget MkI "Little Red Rider"	Topic Creator (OP) Jul 24, 2016 01:57 PM Joined 8 years ago 3,413 Posts

Hi guys. Got a favor of you all. Please take a look at the pics attached showing how I have the load leveler attached to the pick points on the engine. The studs that I mounted to seem a little small. The tranny is coming out at the same time. Does it look ok to lift? Also, trying to figure how the front motor mounts separate.The pic showing the front motor mount bolts has me confused on how they come out. The pic shows that I took off the two innermost nuts. Do the studs drive out? What's with the bigger nut underneath? Does he come off too?

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #2
refisk Rick Fisk Frankenmuth, MI, USA Sign in to contact	Jul 24, 2016 02:10 PM Top Contributor Joined 12 years ago 14,672 Posts

Your lift mounting points should be fine. The factory says to use just the two rocker arm cover bolts. I just use the front exhaust manifold stud in the front and one of the engine/trans mount bolts in the rear. Those studs and bolts are stronger than you think.

As far as the engine mounts, disconnect the two studs like you have in your first photo on the steering column side. On the passenger side unbolt the entire mount from the chassis.

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #3
atm92484 Andrew M Pittsburgh, PA, USA Sign in to contact 1961 Austin-Healey Sprite 1964 Austin-Healey Sprite 1964 Morris Mini Traveller 1972 MG Midget MkIII	Jul 24, 2016 02:23 PM Joined 10 years ago 512 Posts

Couple of things -

The engine probably won't come out with only the top nuts on the mounts removed. Since the studs are at an angle and the engine is going straight up, they'll get caught in the holes. You're going to need to remove the three bolts that hold the mounts to the chassis on at least one side if not both. Racers typically slot the lower part of the mount so the single stud on the rubber part can slide straight up after you remove the nut.

I wouldn't use head studs as a lifting point in the future. Its done now but I don't think its the best idea.

I don't use a load leveler on the Sprite (I pull the engine first then the transmission) but I'll typically attach the chain to the forward manifold stud, loop it over to the alternator/generator bracket bolt, then loop it back to the rear manifold stud - lift from the middle of both loops of chain.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-07-24 02:25 PM by atm92484.

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #4
Chas 906 Chuck Peterson Iron Mountain, MI, USA Sign in to contact 1961 MG Midget MkI "Little Red Rider"	Topic Creator (OP) Jul 24, 2016 02:58 PM Joined 8 years ago 3,413 Posts

Thanks guys. After a beer and re reading the book I saw the bracket bolts. I'll leave the driver side bracket intact like you said Rick. The book says the engine should come up and out to the left as to clear the driver side bracket letting those studs exit the bracket. Ya know, these little cars are almost as much fun to work on as they are to drive!!! At least a guy can get his hands in the engine bay!

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #5
Chas 906 Chuck Peterson Iron Mountain, MI, USA Sign in to contact 1961 MG Midget MkI "Little Red Rider"	Topic Creator (OP) Jul 24, 2016 03:02 PM Joined 8 years ago 3,413 Posts

Hey Rick, I get down state every couple months to help out my elderly godfather. How far is Frankenmuth from Jackson? I come down on 127. Love to swing by and check your car out and BS a little. My next trip is mid Sept.

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #6
Jim Gruber Apollo Beach, FL, USA Sign in to contact	Jul 24, 2016 03:32 PM Top Contributor Joined 13 years ago 1,529 Posts

Rick, The way the factory installed was to have radiator removed and intake manifold laying on top of the engine and I think Generator out of the way. At that point engine can slide between the radiator uprights. Easier to remove tranny and all, don't forget to remove the ground strap that's an easy one to forget. Tranny has 4 bolts that need to be disconnected. I recently pulled engine on Bugsy II. I just used a piece of stout 3/4" line, actually an old mainsheet from my sailing days and looped around generator Bracket and around intake manifold. No load leveler, Popped right out with no issues at all. Getting back in with the 5 speed will be a bit more challenging as there are clearance issues for the tranny and battery shelf to be taken into account and I will pick up a load leveler for that work.

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #7
refisk Rick Fisk Frankenmuth, MI, USA Sign in to contact	Jul 24, 2016 04:52 PM Top Contributor Joined 12 years ago 14,672 Posts

Chuck's car is a square body. The valance gets in the way so you have to angle it up and out over the valance.

In reply to # 3317700 by Jim Gruber Rick, The way the factory installed was to have radiator removed and intake manifold laying on top of the engine and I think Generator out of the way. At that point engine can slide between the radiator uprights. Easier to remove tranny and all, don't forget to remove the ground strap that's an easy one to forget. Tranny has 4 bolts that need to be disconnected. I recently pulled engine on Bugsy II. I just used a piece of stout 3/4" line, actually an old mainsheet from my sailing days and looped around generator Bracket and around intake manifold. No load leveler, Popped right out with no issues at all. Getting back in with the 5 speed will be a bit more challenging as there are clearance issues for the tranny and battery shelf to be taken into account and I will pick up a load leveler for that work.

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #8
refisk Rick Fisk Frankenmuth, MI, USA Sign in to contact	Jul 24, 2016 04:57 PM Top Contributor Joined 12 years ago 14,672 Posts

Hey Chuck, you're welcome to stop by any time. But 127 is about 50 miles west of me. Frankenmuth is SE of Saginaw.

My cars aren't much to look at right now. The '72 is a driver. Looks good from 30 feet or going by at 30 MPH, not so much jup close. My Bugeye is in a stalled refresh state on jackstands. The '61 Sprite would-be vintage racer is in about 8,000 pieces. LOL

In reply to # 3317676 by Chas 906 Hey Rick, I get down state every couple months to help out my elderly godfather. How far is Frankenmuth from Jackson? I come down on 127. Love to swing by and check your car out and BS a little. My next trip is mid Sept.

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #9
Jim Gruber Apollo Beach, FL, USA Sign in to contact	Jul 24, 2016 05:37 PM Top Contributor Joined 13 years ago 1,529 Posts

Rick, A good idea but you are correct. BTW, could not get windshield to cowl gasket to fit. Too wide for the track. BE Guy says he has one that fits better. Ordered last night for $10.00 for Bugsy.

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #10
Chas 906 Chuck Peterson Iron Mountain, MI, USA Sign in to contact 1961 MG Midget MkI "Little Red Rider"	Topic Creator (OP) Jul 24, 2016 07:00 PM Joined 8 years ago 3,413 Posts

Well, if time permits and your free, I'll swing by on my way home. I'll let ya know more when it gets closer. Attached are pics showing the engine coming out. Didn't take long once I got the angle right. The load leveler worked great! Also notice the 850 cast in the block. This is the gold seal exchange engine I told you about. Are those headers on it. Don't look like a stock exhaust manifold. I'll be separating the tranny tomorrow to have a look see. Thanks for all your help! It's greatly appreciated!!

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #11
refisk Rick Fisk Frankenmuth, MI, USA Sign in to contact	Jul 24, 2016 07:45 PM Top Contributor Joined 12 years ago 14,672 Posts

Doesn't look like you had too much trouble. The load leveler does help. And yes, that is a header. Interesting that they put a header on a 850. I wonder if any other mods were done?

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Re: Please check my engine removal pick points #12
Chas 906 Chuck Peterson Iron Mountain, MI, USA Sign in to contact 1961 MG Midget MkI "Little Red Rider"	Topic Creator (OP) Jul 25, 2016 06:15 AM Joined 8 years ago 3,413 Posts

That's what I'm wondering too Rick. Is it possible to re bore an 850 out to get close to a 948 performance? I've heard headers boost an a engine a little, correct?

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