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At Carlisle, I talked to a gentleman from DRIVEN oil. He actually highly recommended Amzoil Z-rod for our cars, but offered one advantage their product has in the ability to maintain a film if not run for while. Very interesting conversation about the zinc/phosphorus/detergent changes which all passed the "sniff test" from what I got from the oil manufactures when the controversies all started. It makes several of the differing conclusions expressed previously in the forum to make sense. Some of the discussion was about break-in oils and why some manufactures use them and why some do not. These guys seem to be real chemists and come out of the NASCAR shops. Might check them out.
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You know something Scott, there used to be oil everybody used that would cling to unused engine parts for so much longer that what is now. It called something like "single weight oil" of the sort oil that comes out of the ground, then processed, but not "sunthetic" oil. On technical consulting years back In Swedish Navy when odd things begin to happen with military Piston engine aircraft, I among small group of people with engineering knowledge and also physics to get call to fix. Not much to figure out though, as of 4 men team, two of us also Pilots and with private aircraft, also. It found out already, or should say it theoried that reason was new "multi weight" oil had additive or some thing added which made oil fall off of bearings and such not immersed in oil. We both had read all about this cling problem in aircraft magazines, no internet back then. As problem for us to figure on was rapid wear on bearing surface, starting engine after long wait worst thing about it, this theory seemed like it was it, and sure enough that is what we found out and fixed. Surely if you google something like "aircraft engine wear multi weight oil" you find old stuff on this.
My guess is your new oil find is simply lacks that additive, or is single weight, or has some other additive to overcome first additive so to make stick on there longer. But you right, buzz word "cling" sound like some rotten smelly fish, I think, too.
My guess is your new oil find is simply lacks that additive, or is single weight, or has some other additive to overcome first additive so to make stick on there longer. But you right, buzz word "cling" sound like some rotten smelly fish, I think, too.
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Never had a problem with storage and film with 20w 50 oil.
So what is the imaginary problem ?
Just got back from 21 days on Kona ,jumped in pumped the gas,fired right up in 2 seconds at full 70psi pressure.
No problem
$10 A QUART FOR DRIVEN OIL.?
The chump market will flock to it with open wallets.
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So what is the imaginary problem ?
Just got back from 21 days on Kona ,jumped in pumped the gas,fired right up in 2 seconds at full 70psi pressure.
No problem
$10 A QUART FOR DRIVEN OIL.?
The chump market will flock to it with open wallets.
LNDRVR4X4.COM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-05-23 05:10 PM by ohlord.
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Did you say anything wrong?
They created a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Not you.....
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They created a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
Not you.....
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In reply to # 3270478 by Valgood
You know something Scott, there used to be oil everybody used that would cling to unused engine parts for so much longer that what is now. It called something like "single weight oil" of the sort oil that comes out of the ground, then processed, but not "sunthetic" oil. On technical consulting years back In Swedish Navy when odd things begin to happen with military Piston engine aircraft, I among small group of people with engineering knowledge and also physics to get call to fix. Not much to figure out though, as of 4 men team, two of us also Pilots and with private aircraft, also. It found out already, or should say it theoried that reason was new "multi weight" oil had additive or some thing added which made oil fall off of bearings and such not immersed in oil. We both had read all about this cling problem in aircraft magazines, no internet back then. As problem for us to figure on was rapid wear on bearing surface, starting engine after long wait worst thing about it, this theory seemed like it was it, and sure enough that is what we found out and fixed. Surely if you google something like "aircraft engine wear multi weight oil" you find old stuff on this.
My guess is your new oil find is simply lacks that additive, or is single weight, or has some other additive to overcome first additive so to make stick on there longer. But you right, buzz word "cling" sound like some rotten smelly fish, I think, too.
My guess is your new oil find is simply lacks that additive, or is single weight, or has some other additive to overcome first additive so to make stick on there longer. But you right, buzz word "cling" sound like some rotten smelly fish, I think, too.
We use a pre-oiler on our aircraft engine ( Vedeneyev M14P ) to prevent dry starts. Automotive versions http://www.accusump.com/ if you are worried about dry starts. there are also electric automotive pre-oilers available. No exotic/questionable oil additives needed.
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Accusumps are on a lot of RV-4's
Interesting bit of history Endberg. I have heard plenty of stories of cars sitting for 40 years starting right up, but newer ones only after 4 or 5 years being seized. My Morgan had sat for about 10 years when I bought it, and you could map the compression in each cylinder to where the piston was sitting. Thin bit of evidence, but it does add some credence to the additive combination pitch.
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Interesting bit of history Endberg. I have heard plenty of stories of cars sitting for 40 years starting right up, but newer ones only after 4 or 5 years being seized. My Morgan had sat for about 10 years when I bought it, and you could map the compression in each cylinder to where the piston was sitting. Thin bit of evidence, but it does add some credence to the additive combination pitch.
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Gad, All I do is post that I found a new oil company that seems to have some merit, and a few "regulars" have to attack everything. For crying out loud, if you are not interested, don't read it. Respect the rest of the forum. We have a lot of racers and folks who store their cars for the winter; just thought they would like to know. I swear, if I posted I saw the sun today, at least two of you would claim I was wrong, we don't need a sun, or I mistook the moon.
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In reply to # 3271203 by tvrgeek
Gad, All I do is post that I found a new oil company that seems to have some merit, and a few "regulars" have to attack everything. For crying out loud, if you are not interested, don't read it. Respect the rest of the forum. We have a lot of racers and folks who store their cars for the winter; just thought they would like to know. I swear, if I posted I saw the sun today, at least two of you would claim I was wrong, we don't need a sun, or I mistook the moon.
I also saw the DRIVEN Oil demo at Carlisle. Interesting product, I see a use in engines that have had a hard chrome finish on the journals. I had my TD XPAG racer crank .020 hard chromed, and oil drain from the journals was always an issue. The oil slides right off the hot chrome.
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