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MG TF XPEG dyno results
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From a very happy Abingdon Performance customer, one of my Street performance normally aspirated camshafts.
Hello Len,
Huffaker Engineering had my engine on their dyno yesterday and got 90 HP at 5200 RPM and 91.3 at 5500 RPM. The torque was 80 pound feet at 2500 RPM and 96.8 at 3700 RPM, it stayed in the mid 90s all the way to 5000 RPM and the started tapering off.The engine crew at Huffaker’s were very impressed since the engine is running stock intake and exhaust manifolds. It does have a Laystall aluminum head.
Thank you for a great camshaft package!
Bill Angeloni
Hello Len,
Huffaker Engineering had my engine on their dyno yesterday and got 90 HP at 5200 RPM and 91.3 at 5500 RPM. The torque was 80 pound feet at 2500 RPM and 96.8 at 3700 RPM, it stayed in the mid 90s all the way to 5000 RPM and the started tapering off.The engine crew at Huffaker’s were very impressed since the engine is running stock intake and exhaust manifolds. It does have a Laystall aluminum head.
Thank you for a great camshaft package!
Bill Angeloni
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I was asked what other modifications were done to this engine, here is the response;
Hi Len,
The compression ratio is 9 to 1 on an aluminum Laystall cylinder head. Bore size is plus 40 on a 1500 block. The distributer is stock with a Petronix inside. The Laystall head is not modified and the intake and exhaust manifolds are original and not modified. the test run was made with TF air filters installed. One and one half inch SU carburetors were used and Jim fine tuned the timing and carburetors during the dyno run. The crew made a number of runs before getting the engine to 90 HP at 5200 RPM with Jim making minor adjustments to the carburetors and timing.
Bill
Hi Len,
The compression ratio is 9 to 1 on an aluminum Laystall cylinder head. Bore size is plus 40 on a 1500 block. The distributer is stock with a Petronix inside. The Laystall head is not modified and the intake and exhaust manifolds are original and not modified. the test run was made with TF air filters installed. One and one half inch SU carburetors were used and Jim fine tuned the timing and carburetors during the dyno run. The crew made a number of runs before getting the engine to 90 HP at 5200 RPM with Jim making minor adjustments to the carburetors and timing.
Bill
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All the above is well and good.
And I do not doubt either Len or Bill. I think a more effective test would be to but the engine on the Dyno with the existing cam and lifters and tune for the max performance and change only the cam and lifters and go back to the same dyno under like conditions and retune for max performance. This would provide a better sense of what the cam and lifters setup can bring to the engine.
Ideally this method would be done with a standard, a fast road and a full race. I would be interested in these results.
Octagonally,
Sherwood
And I do not doubt either Len or Bill. I think a more effective test would be to but the engine on the Dyno with the existing cam and lifters and tune for the max performance and change only the cam and lifters and go back to the same dyno under like conditions and retune for max performance. This would provide a better sense of what the cam and lifters setup can bring to the engine.
Ideally this method would be done with a standard, a fast road and a full race. I would be interested in these results.
Octagonally,
Sherwood
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My engine was built +30 and 9.1:1 compression. I don't remember what size valves are in the head. I then swapped only the cam to a roller and noticed little to no difference in power. Further engine development would probably allow the cam to work better, and I never figured out what cam was in it before, but on an otherwise stock engine I didn't find the cam increased power noticeably.
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Steve, you probably had a Crane 340-0010 performance cam in the engine previously. I ask prospective customers what cam is in the engine now? As my street performance cam is not a fast road cam, it therefore has better drive ability ( more low end torque) than the Crane 340-10010, with slightly less duration, and no cam or lifter wear.
As good will, I will still offer you a special order fast road longer duration cam exchange no charge.
As good will, I will still offer you a special order fast road longer duration cam exchange no charge.
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In reply to # 3253424 by Steve S
My engine was built +30 and 9.1:1 compression. I don't remember what size valves are in the head. I then swapped only the cam to a roller and noticed little to no difference in power. Further engine development would probably allow the cam to work better, and I never figured out what cam was in it before, but on an otherwise stock engine I didn't find the cam increased power noticeably.
Rocker roller will allow for compression boost, and others. Plus, now it is ready when high engine rpms allowed from below head, in future.
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Thanks Len, appreciate the offer, but the thought of tearing the engine apart again doesn't warm my heart! And the more aggressive cam didn't sound like a good match for distance driving anyway. I'll press on with other planned modifications and hope for the best.
I don't think the old cam was a Crane, but whatever it was it's at least 30 years old. Never been able to positively identify it, even by the part number.
I don't think the old cam was a Crane, but whatever it was it's at least 30 years old. Never been able to positively identify it, even by the part number.
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Graph of dyno run
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Why the dip in power at 3800? That's not necessarily a good place in the curve too lose power. I wonder why they use dots on a graph (smoothed) instead of showing the actual graph? Is there an AFR graph that would corroborate why? I have to assume this was an engine dyno, not chassis dyno, so roughly 35-40 tq/hp lost to drivetrain friction?
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Jeff Since you asked...
They also state the distributor was stock late TF 1500
They also state the distributor was stock late TF 1500
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Try it again
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Len Fanelli Abingdon Performance Ltd. laf48@aol.com 914 420 8699
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Lets see if the 3rd time works!??
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