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Fuel pump.
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Fuel pump.
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Apr 24, 2014 03:27 PM
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I have started a new thread, as I did not want to hijack any others.
I have the chance to buy a brand new SU fuel pump, it's 90 quid in English pounds. My question is is this the way to go fitting an original pump or do I look at the other pumps in other threads.
What is the pro's and cons of pumps ? Kind regards,
Mark.
We will talk a little later when we are older.
I have the chance to buy a brand new SU fuel pump, it's 90 quid in English pounds. My question is is this the way to go fitting an original pump or do I look at the other pumps in other threads.
What is the pro's and cons of pumps ? Kind regards,
Mark.
We will talk a little later when we are older.
Apr 24, 2014 03:54 PM
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In reply to # 2670589 by bobs77vet
wow its a blondes vs. brunettes moment now......opinions on this vary widely sit back and enjoy the reading......i use the small facet cube pumps that apparently break instantly for everyone else.....bob
I've had one of those Facet cube's lunking away in my car for 2 1/2 years and 10K miles and it was in there when I bought it. Barney uses a non-SU pump as well: Aftermarket Fuel Pump. As he recommends, I carry a spare Facet in my parts box in the extra battery bay.
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Apr 24, 2014 06:06 PM
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I replaced my SU fuel pump with an Airtex ATX E8016S electronic fuel pump rated at 2.5 to 4.0 psi. I purchased from Rock Auto. And I think it might be the exact same pump as the Facet. Google the E8016S part number to confirm. Rock Auto's price was the best.
The pump came with a small fuel filter, but I added a second larger Wix 33032 fuel filter in front. So now the fuel runs through 2 filters before reaching the pump (at the time I was worried about tank contamination).
When I first pulled the pump out of the box, I thought I would have a hard time mounting in the same location because my car's inlet line is about 10 inches higher than the outlet line - and the pump wants the outlet to be higher. But with some hardware and a bit of rubber fuel line, it was a pretty sweet install.
I had planned to keep the SU pump as a spare, but then I put a fuel cell in the car and didn't think the SU could work with the fuel cell. In hindsight, I was probably wrong, but by then I sold the pump.
The whole set up cost about $55 U.S.
The pump came with a small fuel filter, but I added a second larger Wix 33032 fuel filter in front. So now the fuel runs through 2 filters before reaching the pump (at the time I was worried about tank contamination).
When I first pulled the pump out of the box, I thought I would have a hard time mounting in the same location because my car's inlet line is about 10 inches higher than the outlet line - and the pump wants the outlet to be higher. But with some hardware and a bit of rubber fuel line, it was a pretty sweet install.
I had planned to keep the SU pump as a spare, but then I put a fuel cell in the car and didn't think the SU could work with the fuel cell. In hindsight, I was probably wrong, but by then I sold the pump.
The whole set up cost about $55 U.S.
Apr 24, 2014 06:16 PM
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In trying to keep the car original we rebuilt the SU fuel pump that was on the car.
Ordered the kit from SU
Took a little tweaking of the points but once we got it going it's been fine now for a couple of years.
We're hoping it will last another 50 years.
Eric
btw - thanks Jeff - haven't installed it on the project yet.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-04-24 06:21 PM by Tbird.
Ordered the kit from SU
Took a little tweaking of the points but once we got it going it's been fine now for a couple of years.
We're hoping it will last another 50 years.
Eric
btw - thanks Jeff - haven't installed it on the project yet.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-04-24 06:21 PM by Tbird.
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Apr 25, 2014 08:13 AM
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The long one looks like the in-tank filter/sock used on VW tank outlet fittings.
https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-111-209-147-A
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-04-25 08:14 AM by TeamEvil.
https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-111-209-147-A
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-04-25 08:14 AM by TeamEvil.
Apr 25, 2014 02:24 PM
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Mark,
My opinion only.
I would stay with the original SU pump, (pesky points NO electronic trigger Yes) for no other reason than troubleshooting once a situation presents itself, be it fuel delivery, an electrical gremlin or whatever.
The SU is a much maligned component and deserves to be kept. Nothing beats that reassuring tick, tick, tick, when you settle into the car and turn the key.
Have a read here,
http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?1,2343130,2343130#msg-2343130
I recognize you are in the UK so this service wil not help you, other than to maybe answer your question of which pump to go with.
Happy motoring
B
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My opinion only.
I would stay with the original SU pump, (pesky points NO electronic trigger Yes) for no other reason than troubleshooting once a situation presents itself, be it fuel delivery, an electrical gremlin or whatever.
The SU is a much maligned component and deserves to be kept. Nothing beats that reassuring tick, tick, tick, when you settle into the car and turn the key.
Have a read here,
http://www.mgexp.com/phorum/read.php?1,2343130,2343130#msg-2343130
I recognize you are in the UK so this service wil not help you, other than to maybe answer your question of which pump to go with.
Happy motoring
B
Life's most persistent and urgent question is, "What are you doing for others?"
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Gary E
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Apr 25, 2014 07:02 PM
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I have been driving MGs for a looong time and have always used SU fuel pumps. I love to hear the click click click and then nothing. You know everything is good.
Gary
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Gary
Murphy's law
Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe, and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it, and he'll have to touch it to be sure.
Re: Fuel pump.
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Apr 26, 2014 02:22 AM
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I've been selling the German Hardi pumps for several years. They don't make an MGA pump but you can use the MGB pump with a couple of banjo fittings or the Midget pump with a couple of hose clamps. The0 reasons I like these best is that they fit in the original location, can run either positive or negative ground, They're fully electronic but have a ticker built in and they have an ethanol-resistant diaphragm. Ethanol in gas can damage the original diaphragms. I keep them in stock along with the banjo fittings to make the work on an MGA :-) Basil 707.762.0974 basiladams@yahoo.com
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Basil C. Adams
1956 MGA Coupe (Show Car)
1957 MGA Roadster (Driver)
1958 MGA Coupe (Racecar)
1959 MGA Coupe (unrestored)
1960 MGA Coupe (unrestored)
1960 MGA Roadster (Driver)
MKIII Elva Courier (E1056)
1967 427 Cobra
1972 Alfa Romeo Montreal
A coupla late MGBs
1960 Austin Healy BN7
More Cars than Brains
Re: Fuel pump.
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Apr 26, 2014 03:10 AM
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Basil, what advantage would the new Hardi pump have over a current production SU with the electronic trigger?
My car had a points type Hardi fitted sometime in the decades before I started working on and driving it, and it never gave a bit of trouble. When I removed the car from storage to begin the restoration, I had to malletize it to get it to work so I could empty the fuel tank, just like you would do with an SU... When I finally got it removed and scraped off all the grime, I was kind of disgusted to discover it wasn't actually an SU. Here are a couple pics of it showing the strange conglomeration of fittings my dad made up to connect it to the MGA's fuel lines:
My car had a points type Hardi fitted sometime in the decades before I started working on and driving it, and it never gave a bit of trouble. When I removed the car from storage to begin the restoration, I had to malletize it to get it to work so I could empty the fuel tank, just like you would do with an SU... When I finally got it removed and scraped off all the grime, I was kind of disgusted to discover it wasn't actually an SU. Here are a couple pics of it showing the strange conglomeration of fittings my dad made up to connect it to the MGA's fuel lines:
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Apr 26, 2014 03:20 AM
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Hi Basil, I am told the new SU pump's have an "ethanol" resistant diaphram also, can you confirm it ?
At the moment I am not convinced yet to change from an SU pump, I like the originality of having an SU and like others have said, I to have never had any problems with SU pumps in any of my MG's. Keep trying to convince me otherwise. Kind regards,
Mark.
We will talk a little later when we are older.
At the moment I am not convinced yet to change from an SU pump, I like the originality of having an SU and like others have said, I to have never had any problems with SU pumps in any of my MG's. Keep trying to convince me otherwise. Kind regards,
Mark.
We will talk a little later when we are older.
Re: Fuel pump.
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Apr 26, 2014 12:28 PM
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The SU pumps being sold today have diaphragms that are compatible with ethanol laced fuels.
Cheers,
Dave DuBois
1953 MGTD
1966 MGB
http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/
Cheers,
Dave DuBois
1953 MGTD
1966 MGB
http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/
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