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Excessive Toe Out
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Richas Rich S
Portland, OR, USA   USA
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I am assembling my front suspension. When I attache the tie rod ends to the steering arms there is a bunch of toe out, even with the ends screwed almost all the way in. The ends are from Moss.

Any ideas?


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Rich

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neely Gary Neely
Furlow, Furlow, Arkansas, USA   USA
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Richas, Moss has a supplement instruction on this problem. http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/steering/pdf/263-288_TieRodEnds_Moss.pdf

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Richas Rich S
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In reply to # 3501157 by neely Richas, Moss has a supplement instruction on this problem. http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/steering/pdf/263-288_TieRodEnds_Moss.pdf

There it is, thank you.

To the hacksaw!

Rich

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Don MGA 1600 Silver Member Don Tremblay
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Rich,

Your comment, "to the hacksaw" means that you are going to shorten the thread length on your rack tie rods?

If so, I hope that you rethink this approach of no return or recourse and instead return the crap tie rod ends back to Moss.

A better alternative is to search on line for OEM replacements . .they are not that hard to find with patience or buy a set from Cecelia who has the proper 5/8-18 thread depth.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AH-Sprite-MG-Midget-MGA-Morris-Minor-ZA-ZB-Magnette-Tie-Rod-End-Set-SALE-/361966346760?fits=Model%3AMGA&hash=item5446e02208:m:mu5M44QXU51v9-xyX5yiCQw&vxp=mtr

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Blueosprey90 Silver Member Jeff Sienkiewicz
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Might not another alternative be to cut some additional threads on the tie rod?

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Richas Rich S
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In reply to # 3501235 by Don MGA 1600 Rich,

Your comment, "to the hacksaw" means that you are going to shorten the thread length on your rack tie rods?

If so, I hope that you rethink this approach of no return or recourse and instead return the crap tie rod ends back to Moss.

A better alternative is to search on line for OEM replacements . .they are not that hard to find with patience or buy a set from Cecelia who has the proper 5/8-18 thread depth.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AH-Sprite-MG-Midget-MGA-Morris-Minor-ZA-ZB-Magnette-Tie-Rod-End-Set-SALE-/361966346760?fits=Model%3AMGA&hash=item5446e02208:m:mu5M44QXU51v9-xyX5yiCQw&vxp=mtr

Don

Don,
You are the voice of reason. As much as I like immediate solutions I will return these to Moss.

Thanks

Rich

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colynf Silver Member Colyn Firth
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the first time I rebuilt my kingpins I put one of the links on the wrong way round and this gave about 30 degrees toe out.
Took me a while to figure out what I had done wrong.

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Isn't NOS Locators on Ebay = Scarborough Faire?


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ghnl Eric Russell
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In reply to # 3501447 by Mitchman2 Isn't NOS Locators on Ebay = Scarborough Faire?

Yes.


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I cut additional threads.


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Richas Rich S
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Here is pic of my assembly. I would appreciate a verification that it is correct.

Thanks
Rich


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ghnl Eric Russell
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It is too clean.


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In reply to # 3501247 by Blueosprey90 Might not another alternative be to cut some additional threads on the tie rod?

It is not possible to cut the threads further down the tie Rod as most are turned undersize so they can be rolled back up to size with a thread,, it is also unsafe, the threads are rolled for a reason and that is strength.

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In reply to # 3501751 by Twofin
In reply to # 3501247 by Blueosprey90 Might not another alternative be to cut some additional threads on the tie rod?

It is not possible to cut the threads further down the tie Rod as most are turned undersize so they can be rolled back up to size with a thread,, it is also unsafe, the threads are rolled for a reason and that is strength.


http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/steering/sr111.htm


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