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Shape of original vs reproduction headlamp outer rim

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Hryser Hansueli Ryser
Durango, CO, USA   USA
I am just about finishing my MGA restoration and attached the outer headlight rings. One of the original rings was still in decent shape to be reused. However, I had to purchase a new ring. After installation I noticed that the new ring had a different shape compared to the original ring. See pictures.

Ring A is the original ring and Ring B is the repro ring. I certainly like the shape of the original ring better, as it blends nicer with the fender's contour.

Do you know who sells these chrome rings that have a similar shape like Ring A?

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3066james Gold Member Jim Cheatham
Amelia, VA, USA   USA
Where did you get the reproduction rings?

Jim

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oleanderjoe Gold Member Joseph Baba
Fresno, CA, USA   USA
?????? Really Bad, ??? I think that is the WRONG part ????


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Restoman Platinum Member Dana R
amston, CT, USA   USA
I did not even look at shape when I got my repros. I'm not going to use them
because they have dimples pressed in that don't look anything like the original rivits.
Now I have to find them and check their shape.

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RJBrown Randy Brown
Queen Creek, AZ, USA   USA
The tapered trim ring in picture A may have been on your car when you got it but it is not an MGA part. The repro in picture B is shaped like the original parts.

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oleanderjoe Gold Member Joseph Baba
Fresno, CA, USA   USA
Randy. I think you are right. A looks too short and does not follow the fender line.


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About 12 miles from Sears Point, CA, USA   USA
TR6?



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Bolney Coupe David A
Haywards Heath, Sussex, UK   GBR
1960 MG MGA 1600 Coupe "Iris"
However, B looks as though it needs to be flared some more to blend with the fender line.

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Tbird ET Taylor
Land O Sky, NC, USA   USA
Picture B looks similar to the low mileage original car pictured on Barney's site.

http://mgaguru.com/photos/orig1600.htm







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Hryser Hansueli Ryser
Durango, CO, USA   USA
Thank you all for your eye-opening replies. I certainly didn't expect that as I thought the old chrome ring was an original because it follows the fender's contour. However, the pictures of the truly original 1600 says it all. The replacement ring I have seems to look more like the original. What a surprise.....

I think I purchased this repro ring from Scarborough Fair.

This means, that I will have to replace the old ring with another repro ring to make them look alike.

Thanks again for your great responses!

Have a happy St. Patrick's Day

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JIMBV8 Jim Gibson
Northampton, Northamptonshire, UK   GBR
I'm not sure these pictures are clear enough to help,
they are copied from an on screen copy of ...

Lucas Master Parts Catalogue 400E 1945-1960

According to that catalogue, all MGA, as well as several other makes and models, used the F700 model of headlamp.
But there were several versions of that model. Differences were mostly dip left, right, or vertical for different markets.
Each version had its own part number; but each version listed for MGA used the same outer Rim, part no. 554439.

I've stopped worrying about it, if they fit, look ok, and match side to side then I'm happy.
I can't really see that detail from the driving seat anyway smiling smiley.

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Tbird ET Taylor
Land O Sky, NC, USA   USA
I was also surprised Hansueli.

I use that low mileage car on Barneys site often as a reference although it it possible that modifications were made to it in the roughly 60 years since it was made.

Jim's info seems to indicate they were tapered - wonder if they were different on the early cars since yours is a '56?

Think Jim has the best view of the situation though.........
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"I've stopped worrying about it, if they fit, look ok, and match side to side then I'm happy. I can't really see that detail from the driving seat anyway smiling smiley "

Eric



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2018-03-17 01:11 PM by Tbird.

rainon Ray F
Ipswich, UK   GBR
Here's a page from the Holden catalogue - the dimensions may help confirm what you have... Ray.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2018-03-17 01:52 PM by rainon.


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Redhawk1689 Gold Member Steven Stockham
Salina, KS, USA   USA
1958 MG MGA 1500 "Belle"
Just as a suggestion, I'd advise using the "KISS" principle: The repro from SF looks correct. You already have one, buy another! In three to four days... problem solved! drinking smiley

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wyatt Silver Member Wyatt W
penguin point, drift ice, Antarctica   ATA
eye popping smiley


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