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LaVerne LaVerne Downey
Fruita, CO, USA   USA
1954 MG TF "Green Hornet"
1969 MG MGB
1979 Triumph TR8 "Wedgie"
I drove a friends XK8 a few years ago...very nice comfortable car.... but as a project....ah no thanks. It would take a boat load of money to obtain the needed service tools. An MGB GT with a V8 or V6 transplant could be just the thing. Most stick with a manual gearbox but an auto wouldn't be that difficult to incorporate into the build. I thought my project days were over but I was keeping my eye out for just the right GT to come along for a V8 project. That didn't happen.

What did happen was this 79 TR8 coupe that was local and cheap. Needed a full resto. Fairly rare with 240 documented TR8 coupes produced....exact number unknown as the factory records were crap and they not document the number of preproduction coupes made...maybe another 100 to 200? This will certainly be my last project without a doubt...should I live long enough to complete it. I owned a TR7 convertible in the early 80's. it was comfortable, heater worked great as did the air conditioning. Would out handle an MGB and wouldn't beat your kidneys to death in the process. Had a good size trunk. Downside....although the car would run at freeway speeds up and down the high mountain passes, it didn't have that sport grunt of a well sorted MGB.

If you want a project.... you can find pretty nice rust free TR7 convertibles for 2 to 3 grand. All the pieces are available to convert one to TR8 spec. The Rover V8's are plentiful. Body parts not so much as the tooling was scrapped. Most pieces other than body are still available. This one I'm building will be much like you described. A nice comfortable road cruiser for me and the Mrs. ... air, heated seats, cruise, maybe power windows. Although I have the original engine, I picked a later 4.0 with FI and coil pack ignition that should easily get 250 hp, good reliability and decent gas mileage. I considered an automatic but believe I'll stick with the 5 speed. I brought home a very cheap automatic TR7 for parts that would have given me the pedal assembly and console pieces, but I would have used a 4 speed automatic if I had gone that route, There are kits made to adapt 80's GMC units to the block.

I have two convertible MG's and my skin doesn't do well in the sun anymore which made the hard top acceptable. While I find the rubber bumpers more acceptable on the wedge than the MGB I'm still not all that thrilled about them so I will be using the pieces shown in the last image on the build.

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tvrgeek Silver Member Scott S
Hillsborough, North Carolinia, USA   USA
1965 MG MGB
8 was a good car. Under-rated, but getting too new. If I went for a wedge, it would be a 280i. I did not know 8 coups were that rare. I though it was the other way around.



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LaVerne LaVerne Downey
Fruita, CO, USA   USA
1954 MG TF "Green Hornet"
1969 MG MGB
1979 Triumph TR8 "Wedgie"
Lots of 7 coupes...in fact that was all they made until late 79....but few coupes got the V8

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tvrgeek Silver Member Scott S
Hillsborough, North Carolinia, USA   USA
1965 MG MGB
Long time ago but I thought I remember the criticism was they did the V8 convertible so late, the market passed by. Guess time got that backwards for me. Bummer I found out is the TVR coupe changed the seat position and foot box so it is smaller than the roadster, just enough I can't comfortably drive it. Newer S and others even worse. I guess there must be more short people over there, not just at Lotus.

Looking more and more like a Stag or Jensen. I want it just a little bigger than a B, but a B GT V6 or V8 automatic with air is a damn nice car.

Just thinking, the Rover should be the same bolt up as any GM V8 as it was originally a Buick so is there some selection of modern lockup OD transmissions that will fit it? Now, getting a torque converter designed correctly for the power, weight and gear rations may be more difficult. I was able to have one built for my TVR ( 5.0/C4) by a Ford specialist in Gaithersberg, but who knows on a Rover in a GT?



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dohc281 Silver Member Ira Eckstein
Laurel Springs, NJ, USA   USA
I’m intrigued by TR4A’s. Unfortunately finding a decent one that isn’t too expensive is difficult. When TR 7’s first came out as a coupe I thought they were ugly. The convertible was a nice looking car imo. Today I would prefer a TR 7 coupe. Then again a Fox body notch would be appealing too. I could be talked into a 914 though.



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tvrgeek Silver Member Scott S
Hillsborough, North Carolinia, USA   USA
1965 MG MGB
Good luck finding a 914. Especially a 2L with alloy wheels. BIG bucks. The clutch is still funky like all VWs though. Even the new ones are like that. Not a GT though. I want that little bigger touring true GT. What might be fun is to do an estate on a 914. Think Porsche squareback.

I too love the TR-4. IMHO better than a 6. Though a 6 with a hardtop is a really nice car. Unfortunately, my bad knees can't push the stiff TR clutch. I actually like the TR-4 over the 4A. I like the TR-3 even better. Ok, so I liked my TR-4 powered Morgan best of all.

Fox body Mustangs are actually very good and parts are available, but they just can't get me going. Even the V8 IRS GT. A 67 Cougar I could do, but it needs a lot of engineering upgrades. I drove a 66 and 76 Mustang long enough to know what they really are. One thing though, American car clubs are not the same as British car clubs. One of my "issues" is my GTI is such a good car, it is hard to replace it with "newish" cars. I liked my old Volvo 240 but my wife hated it. Don't know why.

OK, so I want a DB6 but I have to win the lottery first. Down side is I would be afraid to park in front of WalMart. I guess if you can afford one, you don't shop yourself anyway.



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dohc281 Silver Member Ira Eckstein
Laurel Springs, NJ, USA   USA
A friend of mine bought a 914 2.0 last fall in the $5500.00 range. It needs some work but it runs and is rust free. Once he has it running right he might have $1500 more into it. 914’s haven’t taken off yet like other Porsches’. I have no idea why you would like a 240 Volvo. Other than being extremely comfortable to ride in they are so slow it’s a joke. I know this from owning a 240 sedan and a station wagon. The only thing that would make them fast is a small block Ford V8 swap. I agree with you that a TR 6 isn’t as nice looking as a TR 4. Now a TR 250 is the best of both worlds except for the expense.

In reply to # 3876654 by tvrgeek Good luck finding a 914. Especially a 2L with alloy wheels. BIG bucks. The clutch is still funky like all VWs though. Even the new ones are like that. Not a GT though. I want that little bigger touring true GT. What might be fun is to do an estate on a 914. Think Porsche squareback.

I too love the TR-4. IMHO better than a 6. Though a 6 with a hardtop is a really nice car. Unfortunately, my bad knees can't push the stiff TR clutch. I actually like the TR-4 over the 4A. I like the TR-3 even better. Ok, so I liked my TR-4 powered Morgan best of all.

Fox body Mustangs are actually very good and parts are available, but they just can't get me going. Even the V8 IRS GT. A 67 Cougar I could do, but it needs a lot of engineering upgrades. I drove a 66 and 76 Mustang long enough to know what they really are. One thing though, American car clubs are not the same as British car clubs. One of my "issues" is my GTI is such a good car, it is hard to replace it with "newish" cars. I liked my old Volvo 240 but my wife hated it. Don't know why.

OK, so I want a DB6 but I have to win the lottery first. Down side is I would be afraid to park in front of WalMart. I guess if you can afford one, you don't shop yourself anyway.



If you hit your pony over the nose at the outset of your acquaintance, he may not love you, but he will take a deep interest in your movements ever afterwards.



Rudyard Kipling

GeorgeOhr Nonya Business
Yes, confused, USA   USA
In reply to # 3876547 by tvrgeek Long time ago but I thought I remember the criticism was they did the V8 convertible so late, the market passed by. Guess time got that backwards for me. Bummer I found out is the TVR coupe changed the seat position and foot box so it is smaller than the roadster, just enough I can't comfortably drive it. Newer S and others even worse. I guess there must be more short people over there, not just at Lotus.

Looking more and more like a Stag or Jensen. I want it just a little bigger than a B, but a B GT V6 or V8 automatic with air is a damn nice car.

Just thinking, the Rover should be the same bolt up as any GM V8 as it was originally a Buick so is there some selection of modern lockup OD transmissions that will fit it? Now, getting a torque converter designed correctly for the power, weight and gear rations may be more difficult. I was able to have one built for my TVR ( 5.0/C4) by a Ford specialist in Gaithersberg, but who knows on a Rover in a GT?


No, it’s not BOPC case but the old nailhead, at least the 215 was. I don’t know if Rover has their own but from what little I remember it’s definitwly not BOPC

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tvrgeek Silver Member Scott S
Hillsborough, North Carolinia, USA   USA
1965 MG MGB
Good buy on that 914. I have only seen them for about three or four times that price. Rust is an issue as is the old EFI . A lot burned down due to the bad HP hoses on the injectors. They are a delight on the twisties. Not enough luggage space, AC or automatic, so not a GT.

Old 240's needed better shocks and wider wheels. They handle very well once you keep them from falling over on the stock wheels. If you know how to drive, they are not slow. Sure, not a super car, but a fully capable performance sedan for the era. So tough, you did not have to worry about really pushing the engine. By today's standards, the famous Saab Turbo would not keep up with a base Civic of today. Our MGs can't hang with one either. Keep it in perspective.

I'll take a TR-4 engine over the TR-6 any day. Too heavy for no more power and that wet noodle of a crank whipping around without enough bearings makes getting anything out of it hard. De-stroke to 2L with a GT-6 crank and spend cubic dollars it will run. The 4 will do better for a bit less weight. Both are boat anchors of course. It is hard to pass on the sound of a strait 6 though. The factory hard top really stiffens up the car, much like a GT over a roadster changes the B so much. I would say the same about the steel top on a Spit, but not as much. I don't fit in a GT-6 if anyone wonders. An E is to hard to get in and out of as well as to expensive.

I look forward to spring. I'll take some trips and really hunt down a Jensen and Stag to drive. Who knows, they may send me back to another B-GT.



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tvrgeek Silver Member Scott S
Hillsborough, North Carolinia, USA   USA
1965 MG MGB
There was a very good little show on TV this morning comparing a 67 Mustang restro rod with a 68 stock Mustang. It captured a lot of whet we like and don't like about old cars. It also captured why the Mustang, as much as we love them, were not very good cars even for their time. I remember after I gave my sister my half of our 66 and had been driving my Sonnet for a while, I came back and drove the Mustang. I thought there was something wrong with the brakes as no matter how hard I pushed, it just did not wan to stop. Nope, just stock 4 wheel drums, no power. Steering was something else entirely. Yet when I drove it in High school, compared to the typical old Dart or Nova, it was the sports car of the group. In comparison, I suppose the Avanti, neigh 62 Lark, was not that different. On the other hand, my 65 B stops and steers just fine. We already had disk brakes and rack and pinion. Perspective. I will admit, after driving a GTI for a few years, not many new cars come close.



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tvrgeek Silver Member Scott S
Hillsborough, North Carolinia, USA   USA
1965 MG MGB
So why do people beat up the Stag handling? Strut front, semi-trailing rear. Basically decent geometry. Wrong springs and shocks? Wrong bushings? Some error in play in the application?

They also beat up the engine, but having owned half on one several times ( Saab 99s ), there is nothing basically wrong with it's capabilities. Just don't overheat it. It is small, so maybe people are comparing it to a SBC or Ford which is very unfair.

The look I like. The size is that just a little bigger. Electricals are no worse than any and I rewire everything anyway.



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tvrgeek Silver Member Scott S
Hillsborough, North Carolinia, USA   USA
1965 MG MGB
A couple of friends keep bringing up doing a V6 Alpine. A bit of work, but a lot to be said for it. Much contemplation, the Jensen is just too big.

Got feedback on the TR forum about the Stag rear being just a tad twitchy if you let off on corner exit. Well, anyone who has ever driven a 911 knows you do not ever, ever do that!



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LaVerne LaVerne Downey
Fruita, CO, USA   USA
1954 MG TF "Green Hornet"
1969 MG MGB
1979 Triumph TR8 "Wedgie"
I'll throw a couple of more ideas at you....Late 70's early 80' Alfa or Datsun 280 ZX's.... both can be found with auto's and air.. neither over the top dollar wise.

If I went for a Stag I would most likely change out the engine to a Rover V-8 myself. Yes the TR7 engine is a stag cut in half, but they were never anything to write home about. The Saab version has very little in common with the TR7 lump. Just my two cents.

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J Baz Silver Member Jerard Basmagy
Middletown, NJ, USA   USA
Classic Saab 900 in hard top or convertible. These cars have active forums, a good parts supply and are pretty easy to maintain. I wish I kept my 1991 Turbo. It was a rocket ship and was very comfortable at speed, with lots of luggage room and comfortable space for 4 people. They are relatively inexpensive and starting to appreciate in value. You can find low mileage examples pursing craigslist every so often.



jb

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tvrgeek Silver Member Scott S
Hillsborough, North Carolinia, USA   USA
1965 MG MGB
Parts for Saabs are almost non-existent. Yea, a '79 900 was a great car. Drove one for 11 years. Love that engine. Later twin cam even better. Don;t know what trans they used late, but both my 99s had BW T35's. Volvo parts are still available for now, but who knows with the Chinese in charge.
Passed on a 280ZX at Carlisle a couple of years back. Checks all the important boxes but could not get over the disco era interior. Almost British. Alpha's are totally out due to driver position. Same with Fiat. Went looking for a 924 or 926 but pretty much all used up or too expensive. A lot more expensive to maintain. I very much prefer the character of British cars.

I was not thinking, but a 5.0/AOD will fit in a TR-6. Again, just a little bigger. With a hardtop, very nice to drive. Looking at a Stag that needs restro and a Stag that is nice, but not automatic.



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