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Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #1
terreneuve John Stevenson Paradise, Paradise, near Octagon Pond!!!(Yes, really!!!), Canada 1952 MG TD 1967 MG MGB GT 1968 MG MGC 1986 Land Rover Defender 110 1995 MG F → more	Posted: April 22, 2012 06:44PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 571

Saw some pics of the Ancaster Flea Market and there was an F with a ONT plate over a Euro plate.

Who's car was it??

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #2
Mark Jones SW, Ontario, Canada 1970 Triumph Spitfire MkIII 1995 MG F "Barney"	Posted: April 23, 2012 05:53AM Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 3,139

Brad had two of his cars there. The red one is the one that Mark Willis drives and Brad has his BRG F there as well. There was another BRG one there was a km/h speedometer. What kind of weirdo would have a km/h speedo? moon

There was also this gorgeous amaranth coloured F there, what a fantastic colour! So four F's togather, that's got to be a first for Canada.

It was a year ago this past Saturday that I first saw the F's that Brad had. I am surprised that I didn't notice when I was looking at the cars that mine had a different interior to the others, mine being upgraded to Mk2 by a PO.

We didn't spend a lot of time outside around the cars, Judy found it kind of cold outside, so I didn't get the chance to meet your brother-in-law. I did see my old MGBGT there. It's been in a fender bender and the interior hasn't been kept clean, the car looks somewhat rundown, made me feel kind of ill considering how much time I put into the car and how good it looked just a year ago.

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #3
terreneuve John Stevenson Paradise, Paradise, near Octagon Pond!!!(Yes, really!!!), Canada 1952 MG TD 1967 MG MGB GT 1968 MG MGC 1986 Land Rover Defender 110 1995 MG F → more	Posted: April 23, 2012 07:05AM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 571

[quote=" What kind of weirdo would have a km/h speedo?
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I would say the same kind of weirdo that would have Air Conditioning in their F!!! smileys with beer

Was Brad not successful in converting his white F to LHD??

Regarding your BGT I have always said if I were to sell any of my collector cars I would sell them out of province
so I would not have to see what the next owner has done to it!!

At least it wasn'nt snowing in Ancaster like last year!!

It was 22C in Paradise yesterday!!!

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #4
Mark Jones SW, Ontario, Canada 1970 Triumph Spitfire MkIII 1995 MG F "Barney"	Posted: April 23, 2012 07:57AM Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 3,139

I'd consider putting a/c in my F. The heat and humidity can be brutal here in the summer.

I really liked your hand me down Japanese F John, it is a nice looking car, not surprising for having around 60,000 km on it.

Brad hasn't completed the conversion yet. He got sidetracked/delayed by putting a lift in his garage.

In terms of buyers, there is a lot of interest in the cars, as we are well aware but he says that most of the people he talks to are concerned about servicing the car, who will be able to help them when something goes wrong.

Judy says that she misses the GT (I know where to get another one). She is also pumped about us getting the 70 Spitfire Mk3 project completed, especially after seeing a Mk2 in the parking lot.

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #5
terreneuve John Stevenson Paradise, Paradise, near Octagon Pond!!!(Yes, really!!!), Canada 1952 MG TD 1967 MG MGB GT 1968 MG MGC 1986 Land Rover Defender 110 1995 MG F → more	Posted: April 23, 2012 08:45AM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 571

In reply to # 2047829 by Mark Jones
I really liked your hand me down Japanese F John, it is a nice looking car, not surprising for having around 60,000 km on it.

That car was the worst one of the cars I have LOL!!!! Still very presentable and rust free and mechanically sound too!!!

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Mark Jones SW, Ontario, Canada 1970 Triumph Spitfire MkIII 1995 MG F "Barney"	Posted: May 10, 2012 07:14AM Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 3,139

And here's a picture of John's brother-in-law's car. I really like BRG on a F.

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #7
verofan Brad Wilson Kitchener, Canada 1995 MG F "Number Seven" 1995 MG F "Brad's 'Demo'"	Posted: May 12, 2012 09:20AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 35

Hi Folks:

Sorry for getting in late on this thread.

Yes, 562 DNT is actually our dealer plate and it was on the BRG MGF. Where are the photos of the show posted by the way? I cannot seem to find them on the show site for 2012.

Someone asked about LHD: Mark Jones is correct. After discovering that I could not get my floor jack past the silencer to the rear jacking point to fix the oil temp gauge wiring on N31 SPB (red), I decided that enough was enough - I was getting a lift to work on these things! Ceiling height was a bit of an issue at only just under ten feet but thankfully the concrete was up to spec (one thing the builder did right).

Anyway the LHD project is now well underway. At this point waiting for parts from UK & Deutschland to move forward. So far it has not been a bad job with the exception of the fresh air intake box which was difficult to remove owing to rusted/stripped fasteners. Overall, I am impressed by how nicely these cars are put together compared to earlier LBC product, but then that is the result of years of progress.

On a similar theme, note the computer on the workbench. It is a sign of the times when a PC is now an important garage tool! Sure beats thumbing through paper service manuals!

Regards,

Brad

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #8
terreneuve John Stevenson Paradise, Paradise, near Octagon Pond!!!(Yes, really!!!), Canada 1952 MG TD 1967 MG MGB GT 1968 MG MGC 1986 Land Rover Defender 110 1995 MG F → more	Posted: May 12, 2012 12:44PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 571

I see that the Red LHD in downtown Toronto hasn't sold yet. It has been sale for a few months now but I don't know if he has dropped the price.

Maybe most Ontarians just don't like modern MG's!!! Present company excepted,of course!!!!

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #9
Simon Austin Surrey, BC, Canada 1977 MG MGB V8 Conversion 1994 MG RV8	Posted: May 12, 2012 02:08PM Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 8,235

As a former Ontarian, I'm with John on this one.

IMHO, I believe modern MG's are the victim of their own uniqueness. I can't vouch for others but my interest in RV8's and MGF's is partly due to the fact they're different.

Most, if not all, of us had developed our "modern" MG interest by owning classic MG's in the past. Some of us still have classic MG's.

For you guys trying to sell these cars to the locals, I wish you well. In Brad's other post, he mentions possibly losing sales because the F's aren't LHD. Buyers need to be aware that the majority of F's and all RV8's were produced in RHD and it's not something to be afraid of. Nor should it be a deal-breaker.

That being said, one can't force a buyer to purchase a car.

I've thought about bringing in another RV8 for resale or sell mine off but I'm not going to have an extra car sit around. I'll bring one in if I've got a buyer lined up but otherwise, nope.

"Speed costs........how fast you want to spend?"

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #10
verofan Brad Wilson Kitchener, Canada 1995 MG F "Number Seven" 1995 MG F "Brad's 'Demo'"	Posted: May 12, 2012 02:12PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 35

Yes, he was asking top Dollar for it. Our BRG car is similar mileage/condition and even converted to LHD we can still beat his price by a good margin and come out ahead on the car.

I dont think it is an issue of Ontarians not liking modern MG's as much as them simply not knowing they exist. The Toronto MG club made a huge mistake by declining our offer of the BRG for display at the Toronto Auto Show in February despite many emails trying to convince them that it would bring much needed young blood into the hobby.

Once the white car is converted to LHD, I will try to pester the media into giving us some coverage.

Regards,

Brad

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #11
Mark Jones SW, Ontario, Canada 1970 Triumph Spitfire MkIII 1995 MG F "Barney"	Posted: May 13, 2012 11:12AM Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 3,139

I can't understand why the Toronto MG Car Club wouldn't want a modern MG on display either, it makes no sense to me. I am, at 44, the youngest in my local club by 10 years. We need to draw more young people to the British car hobby and if it takes the MGF to get the attention of younger people then that's great.

The other possible deterrent might be the parts and service side. I worry a bit about how to trouble shoot sensor problem but my upcoming purchase from Blackbox Solutions will solve that problem, and, according to Rich, allow me to program a second fob.

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #12
terreneuve John Stevenson Paradise, Paradise, near Octagon Pond!!!(Yes, really!!!), Canada 1952 MG TD 1967 MG MGB GT 1968 MG MGC 1986 Land Rover Defender 110 1995 MG F → more	Posted: May 13, 2012 11:53AM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 571

In reply to # 2066315 by Mark Jones I am, at 44, the youngest in my local club by 10 years.

Old people just don't like to change, sounds like you are in the old fart club LOL!!! devil smiley

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #13
Mark Jones SW, Ontario, Canada 1970 Triumph Spitfire MkIII 1995 MG F "Barney"	Posted: May 13, 2012 12:03PM Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 3,139

Yeah, at times it feels that way.

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #14
terreneuve John Stevenson Paradise, Paradise, near Octagon Pond!!!(Yes, really!!!), Canada 1952 MG TD 1967 MG MGB GT 1968 MG MGC 1986 Land Rover Defender 110 1995 MG F → more	Posted: May 13, 2012 12:58PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 571

In reply to # 2066347 by Mark Jones Yeah, at times it feels that way.

It's funny though when I went to the show in California I only saw one guy (and his very hot girlfriend!!)who was younger than me. His father was showing a MGB and he had a project MGB. I would guess the average age was 70!! I made the comment at the show asking who was going to be driving these cars in another 15-20 years!!!

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Rich in Vancouver Rich McKie Steveston, B.C., Canada 1996 MG F "Andy" ~ For Sale ! ~ 1997 MG F "VVC"	Posted: May 13, 2012 02:07PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,398

I went to a Hot-Rod cruise in the other evening and it was the same.
Just a bunch of grey-haired ol'farts.
Around here the Japanese and German car scenes have a younger turn-out, but
British cars for young people seem to be a thing of the past.

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #16
Simon Austin Surrey, BC, Canada 1977 MG MGB V8 Conversion 1994 MG RV8	Posted: May 13, 2012 09:35PM Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 8,235

That's only because the last great British Motor Industry ended in the 80's.

Most of the kids today weren't born then. winking smiley

"Speed costs........how fast you want to spend?"

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Re: Mark, who's MGF is 562 ONT?? #17
Mark Jones SW, Ontario, Canada 1970 Triumph Spitfire MkIII 1995 MG F "Barney"	Posted: May 14, 2012 05:23AM Registered: 13 years ago Posts: 3,139

I was into the Toyota dealer a couple weeks ago picking up some wildly expensive plastic clips for the Corolla. One of the young salesmen (in his 30s) comments that he liked the car and asked what it was, MG, never heard of MG. I said it was made by the same people as the little british sports cars you see during the summer...he had no idea what I was talking about. It might be too late. sad smiley

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verofan Brad Wilson Kitchener, Canada 1995 MG F "Number Seven" 1995 MG F "Brad's 'Demo'"	Posted: May 14, 2012 08:19AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 35

I don't think it is too late but Mark's experience at the Toyota dealer shows there is a lot of catching up to do. I wonder if when asked about the manufacturer of our cars we should say MG-Rover? Rover will be a name the young people know. Of course the conversation will then have to go something like:

"Rover, you mean like Land Rover"?

"Yes, in other countries, they also made cars called Rovers and MG is the sports car division of the company"

Perhaps thaht might help or just complicate things further!

And Simon is quite correct in stating that last time there was any marketing muscle behind British sports cars in Canada, anyone younger than 32 had not been born.

All we can really do at this point is drive our cars as much as possible to get the word out, and I think that will eventually work. It would certainly be nice if the media (Star) would give us a little exposure as they have done on a few occasions recently for older LBC product. I wrote them a fairly long article on the MGF but it has yet to be published. I think once the LHD project is complete would be a good time to hit them up again?

Brad
www.mgfcars.ca

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Rich in Vancouver Rich McKie Steveston, B.C., Canada 1996 MG F "Andy" ~ For Sale ! ~ 1997 MG F "VVC"	Posted: May 14, 2012 08:36AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,398

That is why I hate going to Canadian Tire.
I would like some spark plugs please.
What make of car are they for?
MG
GM?
MG
GM?
MG, they're British.
Oh, who makes them?
MG
GM?
Goodbye

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terreneuve John Stevenson Paradise, Paradise, near Octagon Pond!!!(Yes, really!!!), Canada 1952 MG TD 1967 MG MGB GT 1968 MG MGC 1986 Land Rover Defender 110 1995 MG F → more	Posted: May 14, 2012 08:53AM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 571

One of the things that no one thinks about is many prospective buyers look to the internet for guidance and information.

There are some horror stories (sorry, Mark!!) that people read and may get pushed away based on what they read through this forum and others.

Some people are not as enthusiastic or loyal to a particular marque as some of us are!

Realistically though, prospective buyers must put the whole picture in perspective.

If you want a modern British sportscar you must keep in mind the following points:

*They were never sold here so expertise in your local area should be found prior to buying a car, unless you are willing to work on it yourself.

*Parts are readily available in the UK both new and used and can be had sometimes faster and cheaper than modern North American produced vehicles!

*Keep into account the higher the mileage the higher the maintenance costs!

*Unlike the Brits ( Rich excluded LOL) most people use these car occasionally so overall costs of ownership won't be that bad!!

*A MGF gets close to 40 MPG!!

*The online help through the various forums is second to none!!

My friend in California spent over 20 years building his MGBGT V8 to the standard that he wanted (it was featured on the cover of MG Enthusiast)
but he works away from home during the week and when he decides to go for spin on the weekend he takes my MGF, he likes it so much!!!!

Just my 2 cents worth!!

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2012 09:22AM by terreneuve.

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