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James74 James D beach, VA, USA 1978 MG MGB "The Bee"	Posted: August 04, 2012 09:49PM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 3,197

I know Skye closed this section down almost two years ago b/c of some unkind posting. I am curious to know will it reopen? or will Skye bulldoze it from the site?

James

78..Bee, Leyland A/C (removed), Wire Wheels, Lumenition ignition, Weber 32/36, Four speed.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/04/2012 09:50PM by James74.

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Re: Grass growing in the parking lot and tumbleweeds in front of the Politics forum? #2
Simon Austin Surrey, BC, Canada 1977 MG MGB V8 Conversion 1994 MG RV8	Posted: August 04, 2012 11:13PM Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 8,340

If the participants play nice........ cool smiley

Probably never open for business again.

"Speed costs........how fast you want to spend?"

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Re: Grass growing in the parking lot and tumbleweeds in front of the Politics forum? #3
melbaver Chris Howells Broadwater NSW, Australia 1968 MG MGB "Moneypit" 1996 Jeep Cherokee "Shopping Trolley"	Posted: August 04, 2012 11:20PM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 5,087

Reckon Skye's left it there for any newcomers to read, and then realise why it's not open any longer

Chris Howells

1968 MGB Purchased already dis-assembled which is why I'm often ignorant about what some parts are, and even more ignorant of where they go.

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Re: Grass growing in the parking lot and tumbleweeds in front of the Politics forum? #4
auctionwatch Steve . Out There, Somewhere, Thailand	Posted: August 05, 2012 01:30PM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 7,043

www.offtopicpolitics.com

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TRIKER john fenner BFE, Miami Fl / ( Cuba), USA 1972 MG MGB "Red Barchetta"	Posted: August 05, 2012 07:00PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 1,549

Might open it up for a good bloodbath every election year just for gits and shiggles! Just kidding! Southern Airboat forum has the only free speach on politics that mostly all agree on, of course they is all dumb rednecks.

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Re: Grass growing in the parking lot and tumbleweeds in front of the Politics forum? #6
tbarker7815 Tom . Knoxville, TN, USA 1979 MG MGB Limited Edition (LE)	Posted: August 05, 2012 08:32PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 2,885

Serves no good purpose on the MGE in my opinion anyway.

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Re: Grass growing in the parking lot and tumbleweeds in front of the Politics forum? #7
AmishIndy Seth Jones Wheaton, IL, USA 1971 MG Midget MkIII "Guenevire" 2007 Mazda 3 "Porco Rosso"	Posted: August 05, 2012 09:32PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 3,139

the only political debates that belong here are historiocal ones relevent to the cars during their manufacture. What policies led to the demise of the british auto industry for example.

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racer76 Eric E. Adelaide, South Australia, Australia 1968 MG MGB "Blue"	Posted: August 05, 2012 10:41PM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 7,252

In reply to # 2138402 by AmishIndy the only political debates that belong here are historiocal ones relevent to the cars during their manufacture. What policies led to the demise of the british auto industry for example.

Yeah? Management sucked the life out of the thing and blamed the workers (then rewrote history so that it is quoted forever more)... nothing changes so discussion is futile.

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Re: Grass growing in the parking lot and tumbleweeds in front of the Politics forum? #9
AmishIndy Seth Jones Wheaton, IL, USA 1971 MG Midget MkIII "Guenevire" 2007 Mazda 3 "Porco Rosso"	Posted: August 06, 2012 12:24AM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 3,139

In reply to # 2138431 by racer76

In reply to # 2138402 by AmishIndy the only political debates that belong here are historiocal ones relevent to the cars during their manufacture. What policies led to the demise of the british auto industry for example.

Yeah? Management sucked the life out of the thing and blamed the workers (then rewrote history so that it is quoted forever more)... nothing changes so discussion is futile.

Oversimplification really. Margret Thatcher, Richard Nixon, Ralph Nader, OPEC, Anwar Sadat, and others all played a role in the distruction of BL. It wasnt just BL management it was also government policy and the management policies at other firms. There is lots of room for debate there. Specially over exactly which had the biggest influence. Discusion of history isnt futile if it helps us understand the present or better yet, the future.

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Re: Grass growing in the parking lot and tumbleweeds in front of the Politics forum? #10
peter d peter h yorkshire, United Kingdom 1958 MG MGA Coupe 1977 MG MGB "Abomination"	Posted: August 06, 2012 03:32AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 748

In reply to # 2138491 by AmishIndy

In reply to # 2138431 by racer76

In reply to # 2138402 by AmishIndy the only political debates that belong here are historiocal ones relevent to the cars during their manufacture. What policies led to the demise of the british auto industry for example.

Yeah? Management sucked the life out of the thing and blamed the workers (then rewrote history so that it is quoted forever more)... nothing changes so discussion is futile.

Oversimplification really. Margret Thatcher, Richard Nixon, Ralph Nader, OPEC, Anwar Sadat, and others all played a role in the distruction of BL. It wasnt just BL management it was also government policy and the management policies at other firms. There is lots of room for debate there. Specially over exactly which had the biggest influence. Discusion of history isnt futile if it helps us understand the present or better yet, the future.

Hmmm

I did some contract work at Longbridge around the time of Red Robbo the union leader.

I couldn't believe what was happening there,So if anyone started putting nails in the coffin it was the Unions. If they would have worked as hard building cars as they did hammering nails, things might have gone differently!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longbridge_plant

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Re: Grass growing in the parking lot and tumbleweeds in front of the Politics forum? #11
racer76 Eric E. Adelaide, South Australia, Australia 1968 MG MGB "Blue"	Posted: August 06, 2012 04:33AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 7,252

In reply to # 2138538 by peter d
I couldn't believe what was happening there,So if anyone started putting nails in the coffin it was the Unions. If they would have worked as hard building cars as they did hammering nails, things might have gone differently!

From all that I have read about that company at that time This statement pretty much captures my thoughts:

"...the idea that it was all the unions' fault that British cars were rubbish is a nonsense. It took some really inept management, combined with a contemptuous attitude to manufacturing industry by the political elite, to reach the low point British industry got to in the sixties and seventies. It's worth remembering that there was far greater union power in German industry than in the UK and they still managed to turn out reliable cars".

The only reason unions get seriously involved or militant in an industry or at a factory is when they see or perceive a threat to the safety or security of their members, so trouble would have started first and THEN the unions would have stepped in, not the other way around.

Why would unions do anything to endanger the livelihood of their members? That is just nonsensical.

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magnette1 Andrew Murdoch Busselton, W.A., Australia 1956 MG Magnette ZA 1973 MG MGB GT 1977 Ford Escort 2010 Suzuki MC DL650 V-Strom	Posted: August 06, 2012 04:35AM Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 1,343

Greed!

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Re: Grass growing in the parking lot and tumbleweeds in front of the Politics forum? #13
peter d peter h yorkshire, United Kingdom 1958 MG MGA Coupe 1977 MG MGB "Abomination"	Posted: August 06, 2012 05:07AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 748

Eric

At that time the Unions were so powerful,And the people at the top in the Unions not just the engineering unions,But practically all unions were socialists leaning towards would be communists.

These people didn't care about the workers! What they wanted was regime change and glory for them self's.

I worked at many company's where the unions were all powerful.I would say over 50% of workers wanted to work.But to go up against the unions would have been suicide for them!

Yes the Government had there part to play in the demise off the manufactures But the unions played there part to Oscar standards.

I lived through this time and it wasnt good.I have never trusted unions since.

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racer76 Eric E. Adelaide, South Australia, Australia 1968 MG MGB "Blue"	Posted: August 06, 2012 05:14AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 7,252

In reply to # 2138562 by peter d But practically all unions were socialists leaning towards would be communists.

These people didn't care about the workers!

Sorry, but those two sentences make no sense when used together.

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peter d peter h yorkshire, United Kingdom 1958 MG MGA Coupe 1977 MG MGB "Abomination"	Posted: August 06, 2012 05:17AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 748

Read on

These people didn't care about the workers! What they wanted was regime change and glory for them self's.

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peter d peter h yorkshire, United Kingdom 1958 MG MGA Coupe 1977 MG MGB "Abomination"	Posted: August 06, 2012 05:45AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 748

Where i live was the heart of the mining in this country. The last strike was folly! How can you justify selling 1 Ton of coal for say £20, Yet it costs £25 pounds to produce! But because it was a Nationalised industry the Tax payer footed the bill! The unions insisted there would be no cuts in the labour force,Yet in some cases there were 3 men doing one job.And this was common in most Nationalised industries!

The union leaders were so intransigent they couldn't see the country was awash with coal on the surface.Coal imported from South Africa/Poland cheaper than we could produce.The National Coal Board were paying Mills in the area to convert to coal! we had so much stockpiled.

No it was all about Power for them.

To this day there are still families broken apart from those days,Father against sons,Brother against Brother.Friend against Friend.

Scargill was the only one that couldn't lose! If the miners had won then he would have said "Miners united will never be defeated" But when they lost and the cuts came in he said "Well i told you so"

It was a shameful time for this Country.

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JackMG Jack Lindler Greenville,SC, USA	Posted: August 06, 2012 07:30AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 14,904

A good manager not only manages the finances, marketing, engineering and design of the product, but has to play psychologist and get the production team working toward a common goal with management. When a business fails, sometimes unions can be PART of the problem, but only because company management gave the malcontents a fertile field in which to grow and never pulled the weeds that choked out the crop, so to speak. Good management practices can avert union problems - in fact, great management practices can avert the existence of unions in a company...

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auctionwatch Steve . Out There, Somewhere, Thailand	Posted: August 06, 2012 07:34AM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 7,043

As I understand it, unions were as much to blame in the downfall of BL as the clueless managers.

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mowogman Bryan Frazier NC, USA	Posted: August 06, 2012 07:56AM Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 1,451

Might as well open the Political forum back up...politics are flowing into the Off Topic Forum anyway.

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racer76 Eric E. Adelaide, South Australia, Australia 1968 MG MGB "Blue"	Posted: August 06, 2012 07:59AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 7,252

In reply to # 2138650 by mowogman Might as well open the Political forum back up...politics are flowing into the Off Topic Forum anyway.

Have you hit the

Report button yet?

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