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riversidedan Dan burnett puyallup, USA	Posted: July 20, 2012 12:09PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 370

well it looks like another nut job got away with spraying some bullets in a crowd just as I predicted after the last
few incidents, the old saying "MONKEY SEE-MONKEY HEAR-MONKEY DO definitly applys to the ongoing problem which It all started in colorado and which was made public,
and as the wonderful media spread the word the more these things happend and was definitly an influence for sick minds.
Ask yourself, if the media never made it public would these things still be going on? Of course we all dont go around
killing each other however if a sick mind keeps being influenced they eventually act on it, makes perfect sense,infact
its so perfect some dont wanna believe it

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2012 12:31PM by riversidedan.

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #2
speedy Michael Terrell Oregon, USA 1975 MG MGB "The Little Engine That Tried" 1995 Jeep Wrangler "Little Engine That Could" 2010 Jeep Commander "People Hauler"	Posted: July 20, 2012 12:23PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 738

And the next has to out do the last.

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #3
Simon Simon Clowes Salem , Oregon, USA 1979 MG MGB "Big Red"	Posted: July 20, 2012 01:18PM Registered: 14 years ago Posts: 7,579

Or is it a case of there seems to be more occurances today, because the media is now able to report them , whereas in the past very few were actually reported? It would really be hard to say which is the cause and which is the result. Either way, it is a shame when these happen.

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #4
DrewM Drew Maddock 74 MGB roadster, Southern California, USA	Posted: July 20, 2012 03:41PM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 5,639

I really don't think it's as simple as that. The "media" reports what happens whether it's a war or a murder. Does doing that that cause wars? I don't think so. The problem is a lot larger than pointing fingers at the networks for telling us where our latest murders are. What are they supposed to do when 12 innocent people are shot dead in a movie theater? Not mention it?

The world knows us as a very violent gun-toting society. Let's keep it a secret by not mentioning it in the media? How would that work, exactly?

The problem lies in our society which loves violence and weapons. That's what the film was about -- shooting people. It's exciting. We love it. It's good that the media remind us that we love violence so much that we gladly fork over ten bucks to watch it in our movies. Don't like mass murders on the screen? Don't buy a ticket. Don't like them on TV. Turn it off. But whatever you do, you're living in a society with a lot of gun violence, it's an actual fact whether you like it or not, and it's not caused by your local news reporters. It's caused by crazy people who go out and buy legal assault weapons and then use them on you and me. And I'd like to be told about it.

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Pasadena, California

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #5
riversidedan Dan burnett puyallup, USA	Posted: July 20, 2012 04:04PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 370

In reply to # 2125435 by DrewM I really don't think it's as simple as that. The "media" reports what happens whether it's a war or a murder. Does doing that that cause wars? I don't think so. The problem is a lot larger than pointing fingers at the networks for telling us where our latest murders are. What are they supposed to do when 12 innocent people are shot dead in a movie theater? Not mention it?

The world knows us as a very violent gun-toting society. Let's keep it a secret by not mentioning it in the media? How would that work, exactly?

The problem lies in our society which loves violence and weapons. That's what the film was about -- shooting people. It's exciting. We love it. It's good that the media remind us that we love violence so much that we gladly fork over ten bucks to watch it in our movies. Don't like mass murders on the screen? Don't buy a ticket. Don't like them on TV. Turn it off. But whatever you do, you're living in a society with a lot of gun violence, it's an actual fact whether you like it or not, and it's not caused by your local news reporters. It's caused by crazy people who go out and buy legal assault weapons and then use them on you and me. And I'd like to be told about it.

like it or not ppl like to see and hear about violence and has went on since day one.... if not they wouldnt listen or want to see it.....violence sells and is exactly what the media plays on! ever been around a car crash and watch the growing number of on-lookers?
ever been in a traffic back up so all the stinkin look-e-lous can gock at the wreck making traffic worse?!! ppl are the main root of any problem thumbs down

like I said and still maintain I serioulsy doubt this shooting problem would be ongoing if it wasnt publisized! short sweet and simple
HEAR NO EVIL-SEE NO EVIL-DO NO EVIL

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #6
Steve64B Steve Opitz Phoenix, AZ, USA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: July 20, 2012 04:28PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 8,484

In reply to # 2125263 by riversidedan Ask yourself, if the media never made it public would these things still be going on?

The media is responsible… really?

Read the news, it might be that the very movie he waged his attack in was his inspiration!

In "The Dark Knight Rises," a masked villain leads a murderous crew into a packed football stadium and wages an attack involving guns and explosives.

If the media didn’t tell us anything… the world would be a better place because no one would know about doing anything... that's your logic?

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #7
hpmowog Karl Keiger Covington, LA, USA 1959 Austin-Healey Bugeye 1960 Austin-Healey Bugeye 1962 Austin-Healey Sprite	Posted: July 20, 2012 04:33PM Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 2,004

If a tree falls in the forest..............

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #8
riversidedan Dan burnett puyallup, USA	Posted: July 20, 2012 04:55PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 370

In reply to # 2125476 by Steve64B

In reply to # 2125263 by riversidedan Ask yourself, if the media never made it public would these things still be going on?

The media is responsible… really?

Read the news, it might be that the very movie he waged his attack in was his inspiration!

In "The Dark Knight Rises," a masked villain leads a murderous crew into a packed football stadium and wages an attack involving guns and explosives.

If the media didn’t tell us anything… the world would be a better place because no one would know about doing anything... that's your logic?

to put it bluntly>>>>>>>>NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS! SEE NO EVIL-HEAR NO EVIL-DO NO EVIL and no I dont entirley blame the media BUT, can it influence and put ideas into troubled individuals ABSOLUTLEY!

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2012 05:31PM by riversidedan.

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #9
tnaolsen Tim Olsen Fort Atkinson, USA 1973 MG MGB "Kelly"	Posted: July 20, 2012 04:56PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 3

I'm not sure about the feelings of the parents of the shooter,but if a person is capable of planning these types of "killings" then they are capable of swinging from the nearest tree.............no thought about it.

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #10
dkellermeyer Danny Kellermeyer Lima, Ohio, USA 1970 MG Midget MkIII "Old Betsy"	Posted: July 21, 2012 12:21AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 45

History proves that no one was ever violently assaulted before the advent of the written word and that even more people were never killed before the invention of moving pictures.

Therefore, it is obvious that both of these are to blame.

I must also refer you to the famous but oft overlooked Harvard study that proves, without a doubt that crazy people are 75% more likely to be incited to violence when they hear of other acts of violence being reported by suited people with non-regional dialect.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/21/2012 12:26AM by dkellermeyer.

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #11
Steve64B Steve Opitz Phoenix, AZ, USA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: July 21, 2012 10:23AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 8,484

In reply to # 2125728 by dkellermeyer History proves that no one was ever violently assaulted before the advent of the written word and that even more people were never killed before the invention of moving pictures.

Therefore, it is obvious that both of these are to blame.

I must also refer you to the famous but oft overlooked Harvard study that proves, without a doubt that crazy people are 75% more likely to be incited to violence when they hear of other acts of violence being reported by suited people with non-regional dialect.

The Harvard Medical study... was that the one published by Pharken-Krayzee?

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #12
Emil Wojcik Metuchen, NJ, USA 1964 Porsche 356 C 1978 MG MGB	Posted: July 21, 2012 11:01AM Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 1,514

In reply to # 2125263 by riversidedan well it looks like another nut job got away with spraying some bullets in a crowd just as I predicted after the last
few incidents, the old saying "MONKEY SEE-MONKEY HEAR-MONKEY DO definitly applys to the ongoing problem which It all started in colorado and which was made public,
and as the wonderful media spread the word the more these things happend and was definitly an influence for sick minds.
Ask yourself, if the media never made it public would these things still be going on? Of course we all dont go around
killing each other however if a sick mind keeps being influenced they eventually act on it, makes perfect sense,infact
its so perfect some dont wanna believe it

So Dan, what you're saying is that this happened because the media "spread the word". So if "spreading the word" via mass media is to blame, that means you may be to blame for the next atrocity - after all, you're "spreading the word" in this thread through mass media. How many thousands will view this forum? Your words are now immortalized for at least your entire lifetime and probably a lot longer. That's just how the internet works. So even decades from now, someone could search the web and find your comments...who knows who you may end up influencing in the future...if you haven't already.

This forum is a form of mass media. Maybe someone here is just waiting for something to set them off on the next rampage...maybe that's you...just because you started this thread.

Now, do I believe this? Of course not. It's absurd. I'm sure no one here believes it. But that doesn't change the fact that if you're correct - that mass media is responsible for these types of actions - then anything is possible when we choose to put our thoughts out there for all to see...you can never know who you're influencing with your written words.

So, no, I don't believe it's as simple as blaming what's reported in the news.

What happened is horrific. I feel for the families of all it touches. They should be in all our prayers. This entire thread is absurd. We're all talking about it just as we would any other gossip. And that just isn't right...

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #13
riversidedan Dan burnett puyallup, USA	Posted: July 21, 2012 11:04AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 370

In reply to # 2125728 by dkellermeyer History proves that no one was ever violently assaulted before the advent of the written word and that even more people were never killed before the invention of moving pictures.

Therefore, it is obvious that both of these are to blame.

I must also refer you to the famous but oft overlooked Harvard study that proves, without a doubt that crazy people are 75% more likely to be incited to violence when they hear of other acts of violence being reported by suited people with non-regional dialect.

and that sir is exactly what Im conveying! A healthy mind would never think of mass murder opposed to
a sick mind, every time these incidents occur a sick/troubled mind was behind it. And how do these individuals
get these ideas? FROM THE NEWS better known as the MEDIA
SEE NO EVIL-HEAR NO EVIL-DO NO EVIL

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/21/2012 11:07AM by riversidedan.

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #14
Steve64B Steve Opitz Phoenix, AZ, USA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: July 21, 2012 11:17AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 8,484

In reply to # 2125900 by riversidedan

In reply to # 2125728 by dkellermeyer History proves that no one was ever violently assaulted before the advent of the written word and that even more people were never killed before the invention of moving pictures.

Therefore, it is obvious that both of these are to blame.

I must also refer you to the famous but oft overlooked Harvard study that proves, without a doubt that crazy people are 75% more likely to be incited to violence when they hear of other acts of violence being reported by suited people with non-regional dialect.

and that sir is exactly what Im conveying! A healthy mind would never think of mass murder opposed to
a sick mind, every time these incidents occur a sick/troubled mind was behind it. And how do these individuals
get these ideas? FROM THE NEWS better known as the MEDIA
SEE NO EVIL-HEAR NO EVIL-DO NO EVIL

Dan... you're sounding like Sarah... blame the lame stream media, blame the lame stream media!

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #15
riversidedan Dan burnett puyallup, USA	Posted: July 21, 2012 11:51AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 370

In reply to # 2125898 by Emil Wojcik

In reply to # 2125263 by riversidedan well it looks like another nut job got away with spraying some bullets in a crowd just as I predicted after the last
few incidents, the old saying "MONKEY SEE-MONKEY HEAR-MONKEY DO definitly applys to the ongoing problem which It all started in colorado and which was made public,
and as the wonderful media spread the word the more these things happend and was definitly an influence for sick minds.
Ask yourself, if the media never made it public would these things still be going on? Of course we all dont go around
killing each other however if a sick mind keeps being influenced they eventually act on it, makes perfect sense,infact
its so perfect some dont wanna believe it

So Dan, what you're saying is that this happened because the media "spread the word". So if "spreading the word" via mass media is to blame, that means you may be to blame for the next atrocity - after all, you're "spreading the word" in this thread through mass media. How many thousands will view this forum? Your words are now immortalized for at least your entire lifetime and probably a lot longer. That's just how the internet works. So even decades from now, someone could search the web and find your comments...who knows who you may end up influencing in the future...if you haven't already.

This forum is a form of mass media. Maybe someone here is just waiting for something to set them off on the next rampage...maybe that's you...just because you started this thread.

Now, do I believe this? Of course not. It's absurd. I'm sure no one here believes it. But that doesn't change the fact that if you're correct - that mass media is responsible for these types of actions - then anything is possible when we choose to put our thoughts out there for all to see...you can never know who you're influencing with your written words.

So, no, I don't believe it's as simple as blaming what's reported in the news.

What happened is horrific. I feel for the families of all it touches. They should be in all our prayers. This entire thread is absurd. We're all talking about it just as we would any other gossip. And that just isn't right...

these killings and recent mass murders were going on long before anyone posted on the internet, or for that matter before the internet existed, and BTW thiers many more sites having these discussions,so in short anyone of us could be the blame,however is unlikley. publisize/advertise anything enuff and eventually someone will act on it!just like were seeing SEE NO EVIL-HEAR NO EVIL-DO NO EVIL is so simple that few choose to beleive it

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #16
Steve64B Steve Opitz Phoenix, AZ, USA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: July 21, 2012 12:08PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 8,484

In reply to # 2125932 by riversidedan

In reply to # 2125898 by Emil Wojcik

In reply to # 2125263 by riversidedan well it looks like another nut job got away with spraying some bullets in a crowd just as I predicted after the last
few incidents, the old saying "MONKEY SEE-MONKEY HEAR-MONKEY DO definitly applys to the ongoing problem which It all started in colorado and which was made public,
and as the wonderful media spread the word the more these things happend and was definitly an influence for sick minds.
Ask yourself, if the media never made it public would these things still be going on? Of course we all dont go around
killing each other however if a sick mind keeps being influenced they eventually act on it, makes perfect sense,infact
its so perfect some dont wanna believe it

So Dan, what you're saying is that this happened because the media "spread the word". So if "spreading the word" via mass media is to blame, that means you may be to blame for the next atrocity - after all, you're "spreading the word" in this thread through mass media. How many thousands will view this forum? Your words are now immortalized for at least your entire lifetime and probably a lot longer. That's just how the internet works. So even decades from now, someone could search the web and find your comments...who knows who you may end up influencing in the future...if you haven't already.

This forum is a form of mass media. Maybe someone here is just waiting for something to set them off on the next rampage...maybe that's you...just because you started this thread.

Now, do I believe this? Of course not. It's absurd. I'm sure no one here believes it. But that doesn't change the fact that if you're correct - that mass media is responsible for these types of actions - then anything is possible when we choose to put our thoughts out there for all to see...you can never know who you're influencing with your written words.

So, no, I don't believe it's as simple as blaming what's reported in the news.

What happened is horrific. I feel for the families of all it touches. They should be in all our prayers. This entire thread is absurd. We're all talking about it just as we would any other gossip. And that just isn't right...

these killings and recent mass murders were going on long before anyone posted on the internet, or for that matter before the internet existed, and BTW thiers many more sites having these discussions,so in short anyone of us could be the blame,however is unlikley. publisize/advertise anything enuff and eventually someone will act on it!just like were seeing SEE NO EVIL-HEAR NO EVIL-DO NO EVIL is so simple that few choose to beleive it

Dan... make up your mind!

If these killing have been going on before the internet existed (and the internet is the most mass of the mass media) then how can you blame this killing on the mass media?

Or doesn't it really matter, you just like to blame "the media" because it's convenient?

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #17
Emil Wojcik Metuchen, NJ, USA 1964 Porsche 356 C 1978 MG MGB	Posted: July 21, 2012 12:36PM Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 1,514

Here's a very partial list of known mass murderers from before the evening news ever existed:

John and Sarah Makin - mass murderers from the late 19th century
Thomas Jeffries - mass murderer from the 1820s
Hélène Jégado - poisoned at least 23 people between 1833 and 1851
Gilles de Rais - from the 15th century, killed about 400 children
Joseph Vacher - 19th century serial killer
Thug Behram - killed over 900 by strangulation in the early 1800s
Lewis Hutchinson - convicted of shooting dozens in the 18th century
Francisco Guerrero - Mexico's first serial killer, from the 1880s
Maria Swanenburg - killed about 100 using arsenic in the 1880s
Mary Ann Cotton - killed more than 20 in the late 1800s

I'm sure with a bit of research you could dig up quite a few more. They didn't require mass media to set them on their evil paths. They were evil to begin with. Something may have set them off...that may have been local publicity, a feeling of domination, a dream, or the local dog...

The point being that these people were going to do what they did, in one form or another, for any number of reasons. If their dilutional dream, the local dog, a movie, or even the media didn't exist, something else would have been the catalyst.

Evil is born evil...there's no need for a specific trigger.

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #18
auctionwatch Steve . Out There, Somewhere, Thailand	Posted: July 21, 2012 01:47PM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 7,043

In reply to # 2125966 by Emil Wojcik Evil is born evil...there's no need for a specific trigger.

If it's the case that people are born evil - or rather, born with an inability to recognise why certain acts are bad, i.e. psychopathy - then are we wrong as a society to hold such people who commit evil criminally accountable for their actions?

If someone literally lacks the brain hardware to tell right from wrong, then should we punish them when they commit evil in the same way as the majority who do have the hardware?

I know it's off topic, and I'm not suggesting the chap in this shooting is a psychopath, but I find it a really interesting topic to bat about.

"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal." - Jesus

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #19
wyatt Wyatt W penguin point, drift ice, Antarctica 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1960 MG MGA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: July 21, 2012 03:01PM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 23,301

...cat named Mickey.......

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Re: MONKEY SEE MONKEY HEAR MONKEY DO #20
riversidedan Dan burnett puyallup, USA	Posted: July 22, 2012 07:49PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 370

bottom line???? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>STAY AWAY FROM CROWDS

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