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Re: You win NRA #201
wyatt Wyatt W penguin point, drift ice, Antarctica 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1960 MG MGA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: April 28, 2012 10:44AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 23,301

international/domestic penis envy from the eunuchs....??? just adding more pure conjecture to the debate. Some of us don't feel the need to constantly defend or try to bolster our position....we have the 2nd amendment and it has been and will be upheld and has even been revived...end of story.

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Re: You win NRA #202
Steve64B Steve Opitz Phoenix, AZ, USA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: April 28, 2012 10:59AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 8,348

In reply to # 2052535 by manseau My goodness Steve, you are really quite emotional about this. To try and support your feeble view, you would jump on the bandwagon to convict Mr Zimmerman without due process, you would suggest that Mr Zimmerman has a racial problem, and you completely dismiss the component of personal responsibility for a person's actions by your ridiculous generalizations. The one thing that is clear to me, if I were the victim of crime on the street, I could count on you to look the other way and let the police deal with it after the fact.
"so if some punk kid speeds by you in a school zone when you catch up to him at the next light… you can pop the little shit right there?" Nice touch.

Why David… I don’t think I’m emotional about it at all.

I’ve used information provided by the FBI and anecdotal information from pro gun sites to make a determination that the danger you and others fear… really isn’t as dangerous as you project. In fact it’s apparent to me that if you have weapons in your house, you’re in far greater danger than I am.

I’m more than willing to give Mr. Zimmerman due process, but in your previous posts you don’t seem to be willing to give anyone you perceive to be a felon the same courtesy! You state that you’re ready to shoot anyone you deem “bad”… now, who’s being emotional about gun use?

The comment about my dismissing personal responsibility seems a bit strange, I clearly stated: “I personally don't blame the gun... I blame the person who uses it.” What part of that do you not understand?

Speaking of crime on the street… have you ever had to personally intervene to help save a victim from violent street crime? Or is that all just a macho hero fantasy you’re playing out?

The question about the speeder wasn’t there as a nice touch… I was attempting to ascertain the depths of your vigilantism. Every day I see reckless drivers put people at risk, but I have yet to see anyone ever threaten someone else with a gun, knife or other weapon.

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Re: You win NRA #203
manseau David Bernard Portland, Oregon, USA 1972 MG Midget MkIII	Posted: April 28, 2012 11:43AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 104

Wyatt, I now fully understand your comment.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/28/2012 05:43PM by manseau.

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Re: You win NRA #204
Steve64B Steve Opitz Phoenix, AZ, USA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: April 28, 2012 11:47AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 8,348

In reply to # 2052855 by manseau I now fully understand your comment.

David... that seems a bit clipped. You seem so terribly concerned about street crime, and yet you failed to let us know if you've ever even seen street violence or intervened personally to save someone.

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Re: You win NRA #205
manseau David Bernard Portland, Oregon, USA 1972 MG Midget MkIII	Posted: April 28, 2012 12:27PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 104

Steve, you have cut me to the quick. My fragile ego leaves me no alternative than to end this. Ultimately I have to agree with you. “I personally don't blame the gun... I blame the person who uses it. What part of that do you not understand?" I now do understand the only solution is
ban ownership of guns so that I can enjoy the same sense of safety and well being that you do.

Kind regards,

David

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Re: You win NRA #206
Steve64B Steve Opitz Phoenix, AZ, USA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: April 28, 2012 12:33PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 8,348

In reply to # 2052891 by manseau Steve, you have cut me to the quick. My fragile ego leaves me no alternative than to end this. Ultimately I have to agree with you. “I personally don't blame the gun... I blame the person who uses it. What part of that do you not understand?" I now do understand the only solution is
ban ownership of guns so that I can enjoy the same sense of safety and well being that you do.

Kind regards,

David

I'll take that as a very convoluted... no, I've never even seen a street happen. Maintain the fantasy that your gun keeps you safe.

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Re: You win NRA #207
manseau David Bernard Portland, Oregon, USA 1972 MG Midget MkIII	Posted: April 28, 2012 02:10PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 104

Maybe I can explain it this way. "the fantasy that your gun keeps you safe"; I have no fantasy about a gun keeping me safe. As a responsible family man I have a large insurance policy to protect my family if something happens to me at no small monthly expense. I never want to collect on that so I mitigate as much risk as possible in my life and don't engage in unnecessary "at risk behavior". The best insurance you buy is the kind you never use. Access to a gun doesn't make me safe, my behavior does. However, it doesn't hurt to have more insurance.

Regarding my being a victor or a victim or a disinterested third party on the street, what ever answer makes you feel better is fine with me. You have to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning the same as me. I'm all right with what I see.

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Re: You win NRA #208
Steve64B Steve Opitz Phoenix, AZ, USA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: April 28, 2012 07:18PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 8,348

In reply to # 2052809 by wyatt international/domestic penis envy from the eunuchs....??? just adding more pure conjecture to the debate. Some of us don't feel the need to constantly defend or try to bolster our position....we have the 2nd amendment and it has been and will be upheld and has even been revived...end of story.

In reply to # 2052855 by manseau Wyatt, I now fully understand your comment.

Interesting comment Wyatt… you constantly defend your political position as did David, as has everyone else who’s posted on this thread. But, as usual when you lose the argument you resort to dick jokes, it’s almost like a checkered flag. Thanks for signaling that you can't defend your position.

Just so I understand your comment about the 2nd Amendment (btw: as a sign of respect, in this country we capitalized all constitutional references except for the word constitutional) are you saying we don’t need the Supreme Court anymore, that all Constitutional issues have been decided?

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Re: You win NRA #209
Rod H. Amity, Oregon, USA 1964 MG MGB 1968 MG MGB GT	Posted: April 28, 2012 08:31PM Registered: 9 years ago Posts: 14,987

It's safer to be close to Canada!

To the pure, all things are pure...

'63 MGB
'68 MGBGT
'80 VW Vanagon Kombi
'09 Mazda 3 with 5 speed manual

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Re: You win NRA #210
wyatt Wyatt W penguin point, drift ice, Antarctica 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1960 MG MGA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: April 28, 2012 08:58PM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 23,301

...opitz....yer a pre dick table clown.......take a walk... moon

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Re: You win NRA #211
racer76 Eric E. Adelaide, South Australia, Australia 1968 MG MGB "Blue"	Posted: April 29, 2012 12:44AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 7,132

In reply to # 2052809 by wyatt we have the 2nd amendment and it has been and will be upheld and has even been revived

So it doesn't matter if America's current position on gun ownership is responsible for innocent lives being lost or not?

You are just arguing that:

1. No-one is going to tell me what I can and cannot do
2. This 200 year old position is "legal"

So, essentially you don't care about any of the arguments presented here at all, no matter how much evidence of the dangers of less-restricted gun ownership is presented.

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Re: You win NRA #212
sweep Chris W Gosford NSW, Australia 1966 MG MGB "Basil" 1990 Nissan Patrol "(Patrol) The Beast" 1992 Subaru Legacy "(Liberty)"	Posted: April 29, 2012 01:50AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 4,203

As this debate appears to be winding down now is probably an appropriate time for MY opinion.

Pt. 1 I'm right, I always have been and I always will be, everyone else is wrong, they always have been and they always will be.
Pt. 2 Doesn't matter what you say or do - see Pt 1!

Chris

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Re: You win NRA #213
racer76 Eric E. Adelaide, South Australia, Australia 1968 MG MGB "Blue"	Posted: April 29, 2012 03:14AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 7,132

In reply to # 2053337 by sweep As this debate appears to be winding down now is probably an appropriate time for MY opinion.

Pt. 1 I'm right, I always have been and I always will be, everyone else is wrong, they always have been and they always will be.
Pt. 2 Doesn't matter what you say or do - see Pt 1!

Chris

Are you allowed to have two accounts, Wyatt (Earp)?

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Re: You win NRA #214
wyatt Wyatt W penguin point, drift ice, Antarctica 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1960 MG MGA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: April 29, 2012 06:04AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 23,301

In reply to # 2053354 by racer76

In reply to # 2053337 by sweep As this debate appears to be winding down now is probably an appropriate time for MY opinion.

Pt. 1 I'm right, I always have been and I always will be, everyone else is wrong, they always have been and they always will be.
Pt. 2 Doesn't matter what you say or do - see Pt 1!

Chris

Are you allowed to have two accounts, Wyatt (Earp)?

Mr Potato Head,the constitution is amendable,and the leftist encourage illegal aliens to vote, so fire up your interorangesicle,pop the clutch and come over to the USA and vote 3 times to change it....as is your duty as a victimized practicing marxist in good standing.If your worried about our wild west mentality bring chris with ya....he's not adverse to shooting from the lip...

(sorry chris couldn't help myself)... smoking smiley

there really is no more to be said, we have pretty much covered all bases...and some have even made a few new friends here with their "diplomacy" and unrelenting pervasive charm!

edited fer spellin

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Re: You win NRA #215
racer76 Eric E. Adelaide, South Australia, Australia 1968 MG MGB "Blue"	Posted: April 29, 2012 06:12AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 7,132

Roll that dice, Earp...

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Re: You win NRA #216
wyatt Wyatt W penguin point, drift ice, Antarctica 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1960 MG MGA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: April 29, 2012 06:34AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 23,301

.....your date late night I presume.....

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Re: You win NRA #217
sweep Chris W Gosford NSW, Australia 1966 MG MGB "Basil" 1990 Nissan Patrol "(Patrol) The Beast" 1992 Subaru Legacy "(Liberty)"	Posted: April 29, 2012 06:53AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 4,203

In reply to # 2053376 by wyatt
.....
Mr Potato Head,the constitution is amendable,and the leftist encourage illegal aliens to vote, so fire up your interorangesicle,pop the clutch and come over to the USA and vote 3 times to change it....as is your duty as a victimized practicing marxist in good standing.If your worried about our wild west mentality bring chris with ya....he's not adverse to shooting from the lip...

(sorry chris couldn't help myself)... smoking smiley

there really is no more to be said, we have pretty much covered all bases...and some have even made a few new friends here with their "diplomacy" and unrelenting pervasive charm!

edited fer spellin

OK, serves me right for not keepin' my mouth shut.

Chris ( even Mr Potato Head gets capitalized. sad smiley

)

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Re: You win NRA #218
wyatt Wyatt W penguin point, drift ice, Antarctica 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1960 MG MGA 1966 MG MGB	Posted: April 29, 2012 07:08AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 23,301

In reply to # 2053394 by sweep

In reply to # 2053376 by wyatt
.....
Mr Potato Head,the constitution is amendable,and the leftist encourage illegal aliens to vote, so fire up your interorangesicle,pop the clutch and come over to the USA and vote 3 times to change it....as is your duty as a victimized practicing marxist in good standing.If your worried about our wild west mentality bring chris with ya....he's not adverse to shooting from the lip...

(sorry chris couldn't help myself)... smoking smiley

there really is no more to be said, we have pretty much covered all bases...and some have even made a few new friends here with their "diplomacy" and unrelenting pervasive charm!

edited fer spellin

OK, serves me right for not keepin' my mouth shut.

Chris ( even Mr Potato Head gets capitalized. sad smiley

)

...."CHRIS" for Homecoming King!!!..........howzat..... spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

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Re: You win NRA #219
auctionwatch Steve . Out There, Somewhere, Japan	Posted: April 29, 2012 08:00AM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 6,930

Interesting to see how people seem to like to make statements, but when challenged on them, they do not respond. How is debate at all possible when people refuse to back up their words with logic or evidence?

In an effort to find common ground, how about we get some consensus on two viewpoints that have been raised here, one from each side? Who will publicly sign up and support the following two statements? Naomi? Gerry? David? Kurt? Anyone?

1. There are some weapons that are simply too harmful to society for private citizens to freely own without regulation, control or restriction.

2. I do not support a total ban on the private ownership of firearms by US citizens.

I agree with both statements - who's with me from the pro-gun and pro-control sides? Put your money where your mouth is...

"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal." - Jesus

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Re: You win NRA #220
manseau David Bernard Portland, Oregon, USA 1972 MG Midget MkIII	Posted: April 29, 2012 11:09AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 104

"In an effort to find common ground, how about we get some consensus on two viewpoints that have been raised here, one from each side? Who will publicly sign up and support the following two statements? Naomi? Gerry? David? Kurt? Anyone?

1. There are some weapons that are simply too harmful to society for private citizens to freely own without regulation, control or restriction.

2. I do not support a total ban on the private ownership of firearms by US citizens.

I agree with both statements - who's with me from the pro-gun and pro-control sides? Put your money where your mouth is..."

As a reasonable person Steve, I would agree with both statements.

The following is food for thought, not another foray into mindless babble.
In Oregon, certain convicted felons are allowed to have gun rights restored. Federal law says that no convicted felon can own a fire arm. Most states require licenses to carry concealed weapons. You don't need a concealed weapons license to buy a fire arm, but it will be concealed when you transport it. Are the same mind set of people that made these legal requirements going to be the ones who make further regulations? That is what concerns me. I now invoke Chris's caviat so that I can return to the life before I blundered into this thread. Where did I leave my Midget?

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