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x2 - especially the opening sequence.

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1979 Roadster (Big Red) daily driver.
unknown GT somewhere in the future.
09 Accent

Don't got to bed made - stay up all night plotting revenge

Nathan Hale, yes, CT hero, American hero

Guess we have different definitions of hero. Nathan Hale, traitor to England, yes, hero to America, yes. Where is it we live again?

Lee, was a traitor of huge proportions, committing treason against America. Killed many Americas as well.

I see your logic.

Hale gave his life for America
Lee went to war against America

"...with charity toward all, and malice toward none."

Words to live by.

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Jim K is a grease-stained wretch

As for the Rado quote, I don't see as much authenticity in what it says as it was meant to imply.

At least in the part of the military I was in back then (US Army), there was a fair cross section of people from all over this country - mostly because of the draft. Many abuses by judges put folks in the service as an option to jail time, and yes, indeed there were a lot of black and other "people of color". But there were also plenty of whites from all sorts of demographics as well, but the most meaningful demographic being that they were available, and either volunteered or were drafted, and mostly either didn't fight the draft, or had no good way available to evade it.

In 1969, the country was in no mood, as I recall, to allow too many people to evade service, and many draft boards made it their duty to see that equity meant you got your equal chance to serve. Many of them had served in the big one, WW2,and saw no reason for young folks not to be in uniform. And as I have said before, for myself, at least, it was as close to an egalitarian experience as most folks within the services ever got as citizens of this country. Perhaps the only time they got to rub shoulders with a lot of folks they would have never taken the opportunity to have encountered otherwise.

Were they or did they become some sort of homogenous admixture of patriots fighting the Red Menace? No, not really. There were plenty who protested the War and a good many other aspects of American life. But they served and some lived to tell about it. And far more never got to Vietnam or saw combat - that is just how many people were mobilized at any given point during that war. That is why some of us who were in at that time identify ourselves as Vietnam Era vets, but not Vietnam Vets. There is a difference. And most of the folks who come through my door as a Veteran's Services Officer are those guys who were NOT in Vietnam or on the ground in Desert Storm. I get a few combat vets, but mostly, if you go out and study the mobilization records for the services, you will find that even tho there was a very terrible price to pay for that war as recorded on the real Wall, a lot of folks in the services at that time never made it over there, not even as support. And did some of them and even some of those in 'Nam itself applaud what the Jane Fondas and Joan Baez's did? Indeed they did, often to the consternation of their peers and the military. And many of them came home and changed their tunes as time went by and became much different men than they had been boys. But not all of those who went were boys or changed their minds.

http://www.uswings.com/vietnamfacts.asp

http://www.citizen-soldier.org/cortright.html

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And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
Nietzsche



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My Father once remarked after seeing Klute a few times, he thought she was very good in her part as a prostitute.

I personally find Henry the most talented performer of the family.

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And some believe they see an alter ego in Henry's portrayal of Tom Joad. I wonder what Henry would say, given that he and Henry Morgan were pretty close pals.

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And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
Nietzsche

You think she was right?

http://pierretristam.com/Bobst/07/wf031907.htm

Letting men die because you are afraid of impeachment?

USA
USA
USA
USA
USA

58K men gave their lives for what again?



We're #1

Let me grab my Chinese made American flag and feel proud..

Many draft dodgers and anti war supporters are the biggest pro war fanatics now..

I guess if you were against the war then, you were anti American? an appeaser?



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"stay the course"

Isn't it sad that our own people have done more harm to this country than our enemies?
Who has caused the most economic damage?
Our companies that ship jobs out of the country or a bunch of Iraqis?
Our banks who bet on us losing so they could make money?
Yet there is all this vitriol about a girl who 45 years ago saw the truth about an illegal war.
You do know the Gulf of Tonkin incident didn't happen, don't you?







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Howard.. yes of course, the Gulf of Tonkin was a non event, lied about, never happened, a non event that was used to sway public opinion into an illegal, unwinnable war.. 58K men died for this lie..

dont question it though
be a good citizen, listen to the leaders who will mold your mind like clay... they know better, they will send other men to fight... trust them..

Obey
Obey

USA
USA
USA

Well.. the Muslims of course destroyed our country.. thats why we need to eradicate them.. Sharia law will be imposed.. they are responsible for the bankrupting of this country, they are responsible for corporate greed and outsourcing, they are solely responsible for the decay of our infrastructure, they are responsible for the reduction of manufacturing..

we need to point the finger.. its always "their" fault..

Lee was a hero to his country. He committed no treason by any stretch. He reluctantly warred against the invasive enemy of his country - the land of his friends and relatives. The United States of America was no longer his country, the Confederate States of America was. He resigned his commission in the US Army before war broke out between the two nations. You may rest assured that the Northern politicians would have been on him like a flock of buzzards on a dying horse with such accusations if there had been the remotest possibility of making such a charge stick.

Joe you wouldn't fit in around these here parts. Of course I most likely would not fit well in your neck of the woods. Wonderful world we live it though that we can exchange opposite views and still remain friends and share our join hobby of MGBs

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"1964 MGB" (Kirby) All original pull handle MGB, 3 main, with overdrive, but a daily driver with all the dents and dings to prove it -- Titled in 1965~~

"1980 MGB" (Robbie) Even though it's a RB it does have overdrive, a Weber Carb, and is my favorite MGB. We have logged thousands of happy miles together ~~

Besides, Lincoln sent them all home once the surrender was signed. There were enough wounds to lick and heal as it was, there would have been nothing good to have come of trying Lee (or any other confederate) for treason. It was a civil war. Like it or not, they had started out as brothers, and like it or not, they ended up as brothers again. We have not always been so generous with each other since, and sometimes much less so.

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And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
Nietzsche

Naomi, true statements, well mostly.

I travel a lot for my company, many southern states, and I git along with everyone. But then again, I've never heard anyone say the things you believe either. Certainly not up north, and not even down south. Clearly you are not alone in your thoughts, as the Union Jack is still displayed, rather than shunned in your next of the woods. As you alluded, stuff like that would not be tolerated up north, yet is fact of life in some parts of the south.

Bet ya ain't told them you are a Yank

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"1964 MGB" (Kirby) All original pull handle MGB, 3 main, with overdrive, but a daily driver with all the dents and dings to prove it -- Titled in 1965~~

"1980 MGB" (Robbie) Even though it's a RB it does have overdrive, a Weber Carb, and is my favorite MGB. We have logged thousands of happy miles together ~~

thought we all sound the same?

Now that's funny and I'm betting you would get a laugh hearing my accent

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"1964 MGB" (Kirby) All original pull handle MGB, 3 main, with overdrive, but a daily driver with all the dents and dings to prove it -- Titled in 1965~~

"1980 MGB" (Robbie) Even though it's a RB it does have overdrive, a Weber Carb, and is my favorite MGB. We have logged thousands of happy miles together ~~