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ccchaase Ccc Haase
Milwaukee, WI, USA   USA
This is my first post but have been doing everything "Per MGexp" to our Midget since we bought it.
It came with a pretty severe "Torque Steer" that is noticeable only on deceleration.

So I went and;
Check motor mounts - Good
Transmission mounts - Good
Rear Ujoint - Good
Did front brakes to assure they weren't binding...
"Torque Steer" was still there, so I redid the rear end with adjustable coil over shocks and added NICE 60 series (175/60R13) all around.
(See attached pics ;-)

Now car is track tight but "Torque Steer" is STILL there.
UGH...Please help!!!

What am I missing here?
Thanks.
Chris

Third Gen Midget Owner
Current 1976 MG Midget

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BlueMax1 A G
?, ?, USA   USA
You'll need a Panhard for the rear axle if you are using coil-overs


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kirks-auto Platinum Member Robert Kirk
Davenport, Iowa, USA   USA
The first place to inspect is the rear axle. U bolts and spring pads. The only plain where rotating power on the axis transfers to lateral power is the rear end, ergo my bet is your axle is loose. I have the permanent fix, a panhard rod, but they aren't cheap, hardware and pads are. Poly pads are a best bet in that they fight the tendency to collapse over time. The pads are for half elliptical springs..



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trevorwj Trevor Jessie
Louisville, KY, USA   USA
I'm not sure what is going on with the rear suspension. It appears to have leaf springs and coil-overs?



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kirks-auto Platinum Member Robert Kirk
Davenport, Iowa, USA   USA
Sure looks that wayconfused smiley



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refisk Rick Fisk
Frankenmuth, Michigan, USA   USA
The combination of springs is a test for the tube shocks. Must be an interesting ride. grinning smiley

My recommendation is to put the lever shocks back on the car, install new poly bushes, and tighten the u-bolts. Loose u-bolts are what causes the direction change on acceleration and deceleration. Robert's poly spring bushings will make a big difference.

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ccchaase Ccc Haase
Milwaukee, WI, USA   USA
Yes the rear is were I started kinda thinking the same thing.
The coil overs and new urethane leaf pads to stiffed up the lose rear.

But the "torque steer" was there prior to rear end upgrade and didn't change after.
Again, I updated the rear end in hopes to eliminate the torque steer.

Now the rear is VERY tight and doesn't feel like a loose rear.

The "torque steer" feels mid ship and not rear?

Really odd. I've had rear walk on Midgets and the setup I have typically fixes it.

And I will definitely add a "panhard rod". Great suggestion Robert!
Thanks again.
-Chris

kirks-auto Platinum Member Robert Kirk
Davenport, Iowa, USA   USA
Let me know if I can help they are from the only source I know in the UK.



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ccchaase Ccc Haase
Milwaukee, WI, USA   USA
Thanks Rick.
It only have torque steer on deceleration and it also did this when I had lever shocks and poly pads.
I switched out with coil overs out of pure frustration and as you put it...an interesting ride ;-)
Neither worked.
Ugh.

Thanks again, I really appreciate all the great minds and feedback here!
-Chris

nonracer Gold Member Steve Codianni
AZ, USA   USA
Adding coil overs won't fix worn bushings/ shackles and hardware in the leafs . The leafs locate the rear axle and keep it " located" , bolting in coil overs added an extra spring they did nothing for controlling the movement in the axle . If you want to keep the coil overs remove the leafs completely, add 4 link bars and a panhard bar

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Kerr Platinum Member Norm Kerr
Ann Arbor, MI, USA   USA
are you all set now?

remove the coil overs and reinstall the lever arm shocks, so the rear is back to stock, and then tighten the U bolts which were certainly the original problem



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S1 Elan Kurt. Appley
Akron, Ia., USA   USA
I'd look for worn front spring bushings as well. Perhaps broken leaf's???

Kurt.

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trevorwj Trevor Jessie
Louisville, KY, USA   USA
Rusted leaf spring mounts?



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CtMGDude John R
New Fairfield, Ct, USA   USA
This has to be one of the simplest rear ends to work on in the world. Take it apart and look on the frame for possible rusted mounts on the floor, behind the seat. If the car is absolutely solid, and everything goes back together tight, then the problem is not in the rear, or your car is bent.

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200mph Platinum Member Mike Joy
Winston-Salem, NC, USA   USA
The leaf springs have two functions… hold up the rear of the car… and locate the rear end housing front to back and side to side.

Carefully inspect:

where the rear end bolts to the springs (spring pads and tight U-bolts) and

where the spring attaches to the body (rusty mounts showing movement, spring bushings, shackles).

As noted, the usual suspects are loose U-bolts and worn-out front bushings in the leaf springs.

The soft parts are not expensive, and the metal parts are all available used on this site's B-S-T forum.

Edit: (As Robert posts below, avoid used nuts, bolts and fasteners for suspension parts.) Used axle housings and spring mount brackets are plentiful used.



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