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73 MG Midget Bill ~G Mackinaw, USA	Posted: July 20, 2012 06:02PM Registered: 10 months ago Posts: 9

Hi everyone Im a new member...
I just pulled the motor and trans on the midget
(it was my first time)
the clutch was not working...and had a leaking slave for the clutch..
and the throw out bearing was in 2 peices...
i have all the parts but when i was cleaning up i found a pin..
its about 1/4 inch round and 3/4 inch long....
it was clean (no oil or grease on it)
couls it be something for the shift leaver....
i had a frien helping me and he took the shifter off..
i think he said he droped something if anyone has a thought on what it could be
thanks for your time
its a 73 Midget with 73K

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Re: Need some info please... #2
WayneW Wayne Witgenstein Nashville, Tennessee, USA	Posted: July 20, 2012 06:23PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 1,005

If it looks like #4 in this pic, you should have 2 of them. They hold the throwout bearing to the shaft.

-Wayne

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Re: Need some info please... #3
73 MG Midget Bill ~G Mackinaw, USA	Posted: July 20, 2012 06:30PM Registered: 10 months ago Posts: 9

thanks for your reply Wayne...i was wrong about the size its about 1/8 around....
the throught bearing was still in place just broken

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Re: Need some info please... #4
carcrazie51 Steve Christiansen San Clemente, CA, USA	Posted: July 20, 2012 07:35PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 35

Bill,
Nothing like you describe is in the transmission or clutch system. Sounds like a roll pin. If it was in the clutch area, it could be why your to brg broke. Maybe that roll pin was used in place of a cotter pin on the clutch slave cylinder clevis pin.

I hope your friend was careful as there is a spring and plastic cup below the shifter that can easily be lost once the shift lever has been removed. The spring and cup sit in the shift rod. These keep the shifter from rattling when driving. Kind of important. Cup is white plastic and spring is about 3/4" diameter and about 1" long. This could be what he dropped.

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Re: Need some info please... #5
73 MG Midget Bill ~G Mackinaw, USA	Posted: July 21, 2012 03:16AM Registered: 10 months ago Posts: 9

Thanks Steve...I been up most of the nite thinking about that pin...
it looks like a bearing from a U-Joint it took a long time to think of that
but i didnt do anything to the u joints...we had the car about 4 years...
or that pin thing could have been laying around on the floor
and I will make sure the spring and the plastic cup are in place

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Re: Need some info please... #6
carcrazie51 Steve Christiansen San Clemente, CA, USA	Posted: July 21, 2012 09:59AM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 35

WOO! The pin looks like it came from a U-Joint? Not a roll pin but a needle bearing pin? Check your crankshaft. The pilot(spigot) bearing on later 1275 is a caged needle bearing instead of a bronze bushing. A bad pilot bearing(missing a needle) will cause the input(first motion) shaft to jump on take off or shifts resulting in or could cause a broken TO Bearing.

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Re: Need some info please... #7
73 MG Midget Bill ~G Mackinaw, USA	Posted: July 21, 2012 01:51PM Registered: 10 months ago Posts: 9

thanks for the info...
im going back to the car in about an hour
and i will check it out

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Re: Need some info please... #8
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: July 21, 2012 02:39PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 616

hey bill! post a pic so we can see it!

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Re: Need some info please... #9
dlrhine Dave Rhine South, Carolina, USA 1978 MG Midget	Posted: July 21, 2012 04:14PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 3,363

Yep, a picture's worth a bunch of words...

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If it ain't broke, I'll fix it 'til it is! winking smiley

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Re: Need some info please... #10
carcrazie51 Steve Christiansen San Clemente, CA, USA	Posted: July 21, 2012 04:48PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 35

Bill,

Does the pin that you have look like one from the center of this pilot bearing?

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Re: Need some info please... #11
73 MG Midget Bill ~G Mackinaw, USA	Posted: July 21, 2012 05:55PM Registered: 10 months ago Posts: 9

the pilot bearing is solid not like the pic
i looked for what ever it is I found and it gone
i will have to ask my buddy where it got to

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Re: Need some info please... #12
66jalopy Phillip Jolliffe Lake City, FL, USA 1956 Morris Minor	Posted: July 22, 2012 08:32AM Registered: 11 months ago Posts: 131

Wish I had a picture. If it was 5/16 it may have been one of the positioning studs from transmission to engine fell out when you took it apart. One goes top center hole the other is left lower side.

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Re: Need some info please... #13
73 MG Midget Bill ~G Mackinaw, USA	Posted: July 22, 2012 02:19PM Registered: 10 months ago Posts: 9

i did take a pic of it today....
i will post it later
it must not be for the MG because
the clutch is done and the wife is out driving it...

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Re: Need some info please... #14
73 MG Midget Bill ~G Mackinaw, USA	Posted: July 22, 2012 02:34PM Registered: 10 months ago Posts: 9

here it is...
my wife said the car is running great
did they ever make a 5 speed for the midgets???
evry time she drives it she says "it needs another gear!"

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Re: Need some info please... #15
73 MG Midget Bill ~G Mackinaw, USA	Posted: July 22, 2012 02:42PM Registered: 10 months ago Posts: 9

here is the fleet except for my 1999 K2500 pick up

73 MG Midget
69 Olds Delts 88
01 Lincon
85 Caddy Fleetwood
the caddy and the olds are for sale

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Re: Need some info please... #16
66jalopy Phillip Jolliffe Lake City, FL, USA 1956 Morris Minor	Posted: July 22, 2012 04:16PM Registered: 11 months ago Posts: 131

If you can find a Datsun 210 5speed they make an adapter kit for it but it'll cost you. I posted that guide pin as 5/16 but I may be wrong because that sure looks like one. It can fall out because it is only pressed in and when transmission is bolted to engine has nowhere to go. If that is what is it don't worry car will run just fine without it. It basically holds the engine and transmission lined up so you can put the bolts in.

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Re: Need some info please... #17
66jalopy Phillip Jolliffe Lake City, FL, USA 1956 Morris Minor	Posted: July 22, 2012 04:49PM Registered: 11 months ago Posts: 131

Go to Victoria British midget catalog page 42 item 38 dowel. I think that is it. Don't worry you don't need it, nothing bad will happen.

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Re: Need some info please... #18
73 MG Midget Bill ~G Mackinaw, USA	Posted: July 22, 2012 05:02PM Registered: 10 months ago Posts: 9

Thanks for the info...
the car is running just fine...
now..if the wife will keep her foot off the clutch
i wont have to do it again for a long time cool smiley

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Re: Need some info please... #19
Speedracer Hap Waldrop Greenville, SC, USA 1967 MG MGB "The Biscuit"	Posted: July 22, 2012 06:26PM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 20,301

That,s a flywheel dowel pin for the clutch pressure plate, knock it back into the missing dowel pin hole on the flywheel, and you are good to go.

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