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Re: rust attack progress pics! #161
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: May 15, 2012 03:26AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 639

Hey guys! can you tell me what size sheet metal screws you use to hold panels together? are they screw heads or hex heads? also what drill attachment is used to drill in hex screws?

thanks.. oh progress is slow at the moment as work is hectick in the build up to TT. But my parents are staying with us for 2 weeks so i should be able to crack on! Having problems with my spotweld remover dill, it keeps slipping and keeps going through both panels!

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #162
NOHOME Peter Plouf London, Canada 1961 Austin-Healey Sprite Bugeye "Lil" 1967 MG MGB GT "Maggie (GT From Hell)"	Posted: May 15, 2012 06:09AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 12,136

#8 or #10 1/2" with robertson (square drive) is what I use. Easy to weld up the hole they leave behind when removed.

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #163
purpleGT Bud Osbourne Pittsburgh, PA., USA 1974 MG MGB GT "The Grape" 1977 MG MGB	Posted: May 15, 2012 06:30AM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 2,278

In reply to # 2067971 by pants007 Hey guys! can you tell me what size sheet metal screws you use to hold panels together? are they screw heads or hex heads? also what drill attachment is used to drill in hex screws?

thanks.. oh progress is slow at the moment as work is hectick in the build up to TT. But my parents are staying with us for 2 weeks so i should be able to crack on! Having problems with my spotweld remover dill, it keeps slipping and keeps going through both panels!

Whatever Peter sez on size (I can never remember the size). I always use the self-tapping, hex-head screws (they also have a slot, for a screw driver) and I seem to recall the hex size being 5/16" or thereabouts. I use a magnetic hex socket, in my variable speed drill.
With the spot weld cutter, I always center-punch and drill a pilot hole, to prevent the cutter from slipping. As for cutting through both panels, well, it just takes some practice to learn when you've cut deeply enough.

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #164
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: May 23, 2012 09:07AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 639

Hey guys! well slow and steady at the moment! been removing the po patches on the rear right wheel arch, and this is the progress so far. As you can see the large patch on top when removed showed why the po patched it! so i have cut away a section of the rear chassis member (arch/floor) to be able to have a better look! i need to replace the bracket that the rear shock fixes to so my question is can i just cut it out still attached to the trunk floor assembly; so i can make a patch repair to close off the hole, and weld the chassis piece back on? see my pic as it prob dosent make sence! keeping in mind im going to replace the rear inner/outer bulkhead (toe/heel board) anyway!

Oh and ive been practicing my welding! made this for a friend at work out of chain link! its in etch primer on the pic, but picking it up later from work where there paining it for me! Can you see whats going to hold the candle?

will post later when i have have it home painted!

thanks

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #165
NOHOME Peter Plouf London, Canada 1961 Austin-Healey Sprite Bugeye "Lil" 1967 MG MGB GT "Maggie (GT From Hell)"	Posted: May 23, 2012 10:12AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 12,136

To answer your question, yes you can and should cut out what you indicate. Might be fun to cut out. Also, if you make a box section to plug weld inside that bridges the frame cut, it would not be a bad idea.

Sitting under my bugeye staring at the exact same task, is what convinced me that a new sub-assembly would be best all around...

You see where this is going eh...new rear sub assembly, new bulkhead, new inner and outer sills, new floors and new front inner arch assemblies. confused smiley

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #166
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: May 23, 2012 11:19AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 639

peter are you trying to make my cry!! the car is braced across the door gaps and across the width of car from the soft top fixings, i have it on axel stands and trunk supported by tyres! is that good enough to stop the whole thing braking in half? also am thinking of cutting the toe/heel boards in 2 so i can do one side at a time? is that crazy should i just pull the whole lot out and do it in one piece?

did you work out the top of the candle holder?

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #167
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: May 23, 2012 11:23AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 639

peter dont quite understand what you said about the box section thats bridges the frame! come on you should know me by now; i need a drawing or pic! lol.. drinking smiley

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #168
NOHOME Peter Plouf London, Canada 1961 Austin-Healey Sprite Bugeye "Lil" 1967 MG MGB GT "Maggie (GT From Hell)"	Posted: May 23, 2012 11:33AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 12,136

Candle holder looks like the end of an axle.

Once you pull the rear structure out, there is not much holding the car together. I took mine apart to make it easier to work on the rear deck.

Witht the bugeye, you could actually drive the car around without the rear half since he rear suspension anchors entirely in the bulkhead.

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #169
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: May 23, 2012 12:35PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 639

correct! 1972 axle housing! end cut off.

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #170
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: June 12, 2012 10:59AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 639

Hey guys! well TT is over for another year and ive taken a week off after 14days of 18 hour shifts! anyway started more cutting today and just wanted to check for reference what is under the chassis member (wheelarch to trunk floor) previous post above i cut some off so a could weld a patch onto the trunk floor assembly. I have cut more off and there seems to be a 2/3 mill thick u-shape box section in the chassis member.

second thing is what i assume is the bump stop under the rear wheelarch? can you but these or do you have to make them?

and lastly a question about the rear shock absorber brackets! are they the same on a 1275 and 1500?

cheers!!

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #171
purpleGT Bud Osbourne Pittsburgh, PA., USA 1974 MG MGB GT "The Grape" 1977 MG MGB	Posted: June 12, 2012 01:44PM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 2,278

In reply to # 2091830 by pants007 Hey guys! well TT is over for another year and ive taken a week off after 14days of 18 hour shifts! anyway started more cutting today and just wanted to check for reference what is under the chassis member (wheelarch to trunk floor) previous post above i cut some off so a could weld a patch onto the trunk floor assembly. I have cut more off and there seems to be a 2/3 mill thick u-shape box section in the chassis member.

second thing is what i assume is the bump stop under the rear wheelarch? can you but these or do you have to make them?

and lastly a question about the rear shock absorber brackets! are they the same on a 1275 and 1500?

cheers!!

Stevyn,
I hadn't noticed that reinforcement inside of that chassis member, before, so I suspect that it doesn't run the full length of the chassis member. Your best bet may be to source a complete assembly from a salvage yard.
I don't know if the bump stop is available separately, from Heritage. You could probably fabricate one without much difficulty.
Although I do have some 1500, as well as 1275 shock mounting brackets in my stash, I've never compared them and I don't have easy access to them, right now. However, knowing how reluctant BL was to change anything they didn't absolutely have to change, I'm betting there is no difference. The difference in ride height was probably compensated for by using longer shock links.

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #172
refisk Rick Fisk Frankenmuth, Michigan, USA 1959 Austin-Healey Sprite 1961 Austin-Healey Sprite 1979 MG Midget 1500 "Party Midget"	Posted: June 12, 2012 02:38PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 2,366

In reply to # 2091959 by purpleGT Stevyn,
I hadn't noticed that reinforcement inside of that chassis member, before, so I suspect that it doesn't run the full length of the chassis member. Your best bet may be to source a complete assembly from a salvage yard.
I don't know if the bump stop is available separately, from Heritage. You could probably fabricate one without much difficulty.
Although I do have some 1500, as well as 1275 shock mounting brackets in my stash, I've never compared them and I don't have easy access to them, right now. However, knowing how reluctant BL was to change anything they didn't absolutely have to change, I'm betting there is no difference. The difference in ride height was probably compensated for by using longer shock links.

Shock links and mounts are the same for the 1275 and 1500 cars.

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #173
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: June 12, 2012 02:44PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 639

hey bud! aint seen you on the forum for a while! or maybe ive been looking at other threads. those brackets are £28 each for 1275 but ive been offered 2 from a 1500 for £10 so was just checking. And you right the box section doesnt run the whole length just about 7 inches over the arch.

PM me your address ive got a few bits from TT for you and Peter, i'll catch him if hes on here later.. Dont get to excited as its not a full set of bike leathers...

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #174
purpleGT Bud Osbourne Pittsburgh, PA., USA 1974 MG MGB GT "The Grape" 1977 MG MGB	Posted: June 12, 2012 02:56PM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 2,278

In reply to # 2092004 by pants007 hey bud! aint seen you on the forum for a while! or maybe ive been looking at other threads. those brackets are £28 each for 1275 but ive been offered 2 from a 1500 for £10 so was just checking. And you right the box section doesnt run the whole length just about 7 inches over the arch.

PM me your address ive got a few bits from TT for you and Peter, i'll catch him if hes on here later.. Dont get to excited as its not a full set of bike leathers...

Between work, weekend trips and trying to make time to finish putting a B together for my wife to drive, I've been a bit scarce, lately.
Sounds like a bargain (10# ea. vs. 28# ea.), if they're in the same condition.
I suspect that the inner reinforcement, in that chassis member, may have been to compensate for the round wheel arches being somewhat weaker, structurally, than the "square" wheel arches.

Not a full set of bike leathers? Gosh, I was thinking about my wife in leathers.......(she'd KILL me for even thinking that, let alone mentioning it on this forum) winking smiley

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #175
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: June 21, 2012 10:09AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 639

Hey guys! ive had a look through the thread to find some measurments but dont see them so could anyone provide me with a measurement across the rear section of the floor (tunnel to outer flange) where the seat belt bolts go? see pic? im still trying to work out why the inner rocker panel leans outwards, and kind of now thinking the p/o has welded the driver side (your passenger side) floor in wrong (needs to move out 1/2 inch) so would straighten up the inner rocker! if that makes sense!

oh and what is the hole outlined in blue? could i weld it shut?

2) ive been doing some repaires to the r/h wheel arch, see pics! really happy with this so dont piss on my fire telling me ive done it wrong! winking smiley

3) im going to have to repair the outer wheel arches both sides! im going to cut the wing section out next to the b-post for better access, but where does the inner arch attach to/ how far down does it go in relation to the inner rocker panel? pic again!

cheers guys!

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #176
NOHOME Peter Plouf London, Canada 1961 Austin-Healey Sprite Bugeye "Lil" 1967 MG MGB GT "Maggie (GT From Hell)"	Posted: June 21, 2012 01:16PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 12,136

Stevyn:

I am having flashbacks! I forgot the fun I have had doing the bugeye. Hard to believe how far I have come, and how much trouble I am having getting the last 10% done!

Your pace and progress will get this done and you will be a ore skilld ad wiser car enthsiast when finished.

By the way, very jelous of your TT exposure. I have always wanted to attend and see some of the bravest pilots on earth run the track. F! drivers are a bunch of pansies compared to the TT nutters. And need I mention side-cars and the attendant monkeys? Who breeds these guys?

Pete

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #177
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: June 21, 2012 02:09PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 639

hey peter! my mum has just landed in canada for a month! other side to you shes in vancouver visiting family; left my dad at home. hey you should get some of the guys on here to come over one year, i have a 2nd house you guys could stay in! you would supprised at the amount of people we get from canada, states and oz; they even ship their bikes over!

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #178
pgmidget Paul Glogowski North East PA, USA 1966 MG Midget 1972 MG Midget	Posted: June 21, 2012 03:34PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 174

SECOND HOUSE, count me in!!! That would be a great time. Peter said it best "those competitors are nut jobs" LOL.
Sorry I can't help you with the floor measurements but Im on vacation now and the midget is 300 miles away. It looks like you r making some good progress.
Paul

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #179
hoggie Mike Hogan Oklahoma City, USA 1969 MG Midget MkIII	Posted: June 21, 2012 06:30PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 459

Stevyn:

That measurement between the inner sill plate and the tunnel side at the seat belt mounting hole is just at 21 3/4 in.

Mike

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Re: rust attack progress pics! #180
pants007 stevyn knox isle of man, United Kingdom	Posted: June 22, 2012 01:55AM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 639

thanks for that mike! welcome anytime paul!

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