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Outer rocker to shut face panel #1
jackalley Jeff Allen Mass, USA 1960 MG MGA 1600	Posted: January 01, 2012 03:52PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 240

Anyone have a good side picture of how the shut face panel intersects with the outer rocker without the fender on? Getting my pillar lined up to weld and everything looks good except the curve from the shut face into the outer rocker at the back looks worry some...

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #2
TeamEvil / / Gone, /, Kiribati	Posted: January 01, 2012 04:08PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 1,443

I don't really have any help for you there, but if you posilutely can't get any info or photos from the group, and are fully stumped, pull the metal rocker pieces and offer them up here on the forum.

I'll spoke-shave you up a pair of 4x4s to replace the rocker assembly when I do mine. I figure that some plastic wood will bring the gap between the shut panel and wooden rocker into spec. A smidge of plaster-of-paris to completely fill the gap, followed by a schmere of Tiger Hair, polyester filler and paint.

Ought to get that car looking good enough to sell on Ebay ! !

TC

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #3
Basil Adams About 12 miles from Sears Point, USA	Posted: January 01, 2012 04:20PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,981

I bring home my new roadster tomorrow. Let me know if you need a pic still :-)

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #4
59mgaguy John Terschak Kill Devil Hills, NC, USA 1930 Ford Model A "Jenny" 1959 MG 14/28 "Jessie" 1974 MG MGB "Oooops"	Posted: January 01, 2012 05:30PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 878

Basil,

I would love to see the picture too.

John

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #5
JimNH Jim Mail Nashua, New Hampshire, USA 1957 MG MGA "Camilla (the Other Woman)"	Posted: January 01, 2012 06:07PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 2,652

Mine were horrible too - I ended up doing a lot of surgery on the shut face panels. Not sure if it's because the panels themselves were "generic" and not a good fit, or if it's because I did something wrong prior to fitting them!

Here is a pic from my files, though...shows the bad fitup.

Here is also one (blue car) that fits.

Finally, here is a page showing a professionally done repair.

http://www.eclecticmotorworks.com/hstc39.html

JIM in NH

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #6
jackalley Jeff Allen Mass, USA 1960 MG MGA 1600	Posted: January 01, 2012 08:35PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 240

Maybe I am not in that bad of shape. I guess I half expected that the shut face would tie into the outer rocker at 90 degrees...

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #7
Neil MG Neil McGurk Cumbria, United Kingdom 1956 Morris Minor 1958 MG MGA 1960 MG MGA 1961 MG MGA 1966 Jaguar Mark 2 → more	Posted: January 02, 2012 03:42AM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 1,481

In reply to # 1943295 by jackalley Maybe I am not in that bad of shape. I guess I half expected that the shut face would tie into the outer rocker at 90 degrees...

Indeed it should!

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #8
barneymg Barney Gaylord Naperville, Illinois, USA 1958 MG MGA "MGA With An Attitude"	Posted: January 02, 2012 08:20AM Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 2,147

Here's a page on making the dogleg and shut face panel it together:
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/restore/rt625.htm

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #9
JimNH Jim Mail Nashua, New Hampshire, USA 1957 MG MGA "Camilla (the Other Woman)"	Posted: January 02, 2012 09:05AM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 2,652

Yes, the curve on yours is like the one on mine. I cut the "ear" off and re-bent and re-welded it so it would fit better. Otherwise, the bottom corner of the door will hit it.

JIM in NH

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #10
MGARuss Russ Sharples New Jersey, USA 1960 MG MGA 1600 "Bonnie"	Posted: January 02, 2012 01:09PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 599

This is what mine look like. Not quite 90 degrees.

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #11
barneymg Barney Gaylord Naperville, Illinois, USA 1958 MG MGA "MGA With An Attitude"	Posted: January 02, 2012 03:11PM Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 2,147

Russ, -- Looks like you need to push the dogleg forward about 1/4 inch. Otherwise the replacement B-post might be one of those the didn't have the original 4-degree angle on the front face.

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #12
MGARuss Russ Sharples New Jersey, USA 1960 MG MGA 1600 "Bonnie"	Posted: January 02, 2012 05:06PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 599

Barney, now that I look at those pictures, it looks like the surface that the strike plate mounts to isn't snugged up properly to the rear fender at the bottom, but if it was, it wouldn't mate properly with the rocker panel (sill?). When you say "push the dogleg forward" do you mean move the whole rear fender forward? I don't think that would work because the gaps around the door are all nice and even. I suspect that the problem is with the shut face (assuming that's what you call that piece of metal) being made wrong - probably not a long enough tail. I bought the car restored in NJ 2 months ago but the restoration was done around 2000 in Oregon so I don't know anything about the work or who did it. I figured that part wasn't done correctly though - isn't all that supposed to be welded and not riveted and screwed? It may be welded in spots, I haven't really poked at it to check.

I attached a side view of the door so you can see the gaps relative to the wings. There is a full scale version of this photo available here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11775077/Bonnie-Side.jpg

Russ

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #13
Neil MG Neil McGurk Cumbria, United Kingdom 1956 Morris Minor 1958 MG MGA 1960 MG MGA 1961 MG MGA 1966 Jaguar Mark 2 → more	Posted: January 02, 2012 08:18PM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 1,481

Again no welding on the shut face panel! It's just fixed by the screws.

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #14
barneymg Barney Gaylord Naperville, Illinois, USA 1958 MG MGA "MGA With An Attitude"	Posted: January 03, 2012 02:03PM Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 2,147

If the fender lines up with the door, but the shut face panel is that far away from the fender at the bottom, then the front face of the B-post must be screwed up (too far forward). Several years ago there were some replacement B-posts that were essentially "square" (or rectangular) when there should be a 4 degree angle on the front face (farther to the rear at the outer edge). I suspect there are still some of those parts around, but I don't know the source.

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #15
TeamEvil / / Gone, /, Kiribati	Posted: January 03, 2012 02:27PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 1,443

Is the passenger's side in the same slight out of alignment or is it "correct?"

Just wondering if the restoration might have been a "frame off" and the front clip was bolted back on slightly "off' and everything that went on after followed suit?

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #16
mad.english.man Tony Leyva Mesa, Arizona, USA 1959 MG MGA 1968 MG MGB	Posted: January 03, 2012 03:03PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 160

Jeff
i was hoping someone had the photos you originally asked for, but apparently not. So I went out to my garage and put the cover on my body and took one for you. Also look the inside of the cover , it is doubled over for the sill line, mine is still a little buckled by the screws, don't know how flat the double layer should be, haven't got that far in the process but expecting to get the hammer out again!

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #17
jackalley Jeff Allen Mass, USA 1960 MG MGA 1600	Posted: January 03, 2012 03:21PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 240

Thanks for the pictures. I dug out my original shut face and wanted to see how they fit.
They fit much better than my replacements that came with the B pillar.

I am happy with the B pillar fit and will just need to rehab the old shut face. They just need a few whacks with a hammer to take a few dents out...

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #18
JimNH Jim Mail Nashua, New Hampshire, USA 1957 MG MGA "Camilla (the Other Woman)"	Posted: January 03, 2012 04:44PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 2,652

Jeff, those look perfect, if a bit dingy and ding-y.

I am sure Tom (Team Evil) will take your incorrect ones for his non-car project.

JIM

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #19
TeamEvil / / Gone, /, Kiribati	Posted: January 03, 2012 05:01PM Registered: 1 year ago Posts: 1,443

Just bought some used shut panels, been cleaning them up this afternoon actually. So far, REAL good. Jeff has an extra set of used ones that I might try to steal from him to use on the other MGA once I get it home. Whatever he charges me, if he sells them to me, is going to be a deal 'cause I get to skip the shipping costs . . .

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Re: Outer rocker to shut face panel #20
jackalley Jeff Allen Mass, USA 1960 MG MGA 1600	Posted: January 03, 2012 05:06PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 240

I am going to trace out my "new" set that don’t fit very well vs. my original's that fit great to see where it all goes wrong...

Tom, you have 2 MGA's now?!? I guess I missed that....

Your more than welcome to my "new"...

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