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TomsMGA Tom J
Mamont, PA, USA   USA
A few months ago I read a post saying that the bulbs that were received from Moss did not fit the socket. I am specifically wondering about peoples experiences with the Moss p/n 170-995, 170-941 red LED bulb and the 170-951 LED bulb amber? Do they fit in the sockets and are the bulbs any good?


Regards,


Tom Johnson

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course2kid Jeffrey Johnson
Fountain Valley, CA, USA   USA
1979 MG MGB "Lucy (Lucifer)"
I too am curious about this. While I generally love Moss Motors and have bought parts from them for many years, it seemed to me that their LED bulbs are expensive. A website called superbrightleds.com sells bulbs for considerably less, but, I wonder how they compare in terms of brightness, life, and dispersal patterns. I'm sure there are lots of other vendors out there too, so, it would be nice to hear from folks that have had good results with whatever vendor they chose.

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sandglowB Al Blosser
Uniontown, Ohio, USA   USA
1977 MG MGB
I put their LED dash bulbs in and they made the instruments much brighter. Then I replaced my gauges with Speedhuts including GPS speedo. REALLY big improvement all around. I'm not big on originality, more on functionality. I like to drive and enjoy my B.

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lgorg Larry Gorg
Renton, WA, USA   USA
1967 MG MGB "Robbie"
From an earlier post, actually posts as there are a few, the tail light LEDs bulb replacements did not fair very well. The problem with the tail light LEDS is inherent with all LEDs in regards to viewing. If you are directly behind a car with LEDs, they are bright. But, if you are not directly behind that car with LEDs, you may or may not even notice them. This is because with a single flat LED, the light is brightest directly behind them. If you are off to one side, they are not as bright or you actually can't see them. The consensus is, that replacing the turn, brake and tail lights with a one bulb replacement is not a good idea. For your own safety, you should consider replacing the whole lamp assembly with a circuit board that has many LEDs, so the whole lens lights up the same as a normal old fashion bulb. On a circuit board, not all the LEDs are aligned the same way, so the lighting is replicated the same as an old fashion bulb.

Regardless of which type you choose, you have to replace your signal flasher. The ones with the bulbs use current to heat up the switch inside the flasher so it breaks the current, and open the switch. LEDs use so little current, they don't heat up the switch, and the turn signals will not flash. They either on solid, or don't work at all unless you buy a flasher for LEDs.

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Grenehurst Douglas Wragg
Haywards Heath, Sussex, UK   GBR
1928 Morris Cowley "Leslie"
1963 Rover P4 "Lord Peter"
Dear Tom,
Have a look at this site - http://www.dynamoregulatorconversions.com/
Although they specialise in vintage cars, you might find what you are looking for there.
I put two of their LED bulbs in my 1928 Morris, and the lighting was transformed!!
Kindest regards,
Douglas

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riley1489 Gold Member Bruce Hopgood
Great White North, QC, Canada   CAN
1953 Jaguar XK120
1959 Riley 1.5 "King George"
1973 MG MGB
In reply to # 3510443 by Grenehurst Have a look at this site - http://www.dynamoregulatorconversions.com/
Although they specialise in vintage cars, you might find what you are looking for there.

Douglas,
Thanks for the link to an interesting site with what looks like a plethora of solutions.

B



I have always been mad!

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1967 MGBGT Gordon Joczik
Charleston, SC, USA   USA
I have a 67 MGBGT all stock......which MOSS led DASH lights did you use for the instrument cluster as found on page A21 on their latest catalogue and why the long or short profile for these bulbs....I am assuming that the bulbs differed in later model years, but MOSS only specifies the following, ,,,positive or negative (mine is negative) and regular or short profile.....so not sure what model year that applies to......would appreciate any insight on this one. Thanks



Gordon
1967-MGB GT
1967-Porsche 912

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lgorg Larry Gorg
Renton, WA, USA   USA
1967 MG MGB "Robbie"
In reply to a post by 1967 MGBGT I have a 67 MGBGT all stock......which MOSS led DASH lights did you use for the instrument cluster as found on page A21 on their latest catalogue and why the long or short profile for these bulbs....I am assuming that the bulbs differed in later model years, but MOSS only specifies the following, ,,,positive or negative (mine is negative) and regular or short profile.....so not sure what model year that applies to......would appreciate any insight on this one. Thanks

I belong to the MGCCNWC club, which is the oldest MG car club outside of England that has been in continuous operation since 1957. We have two local Moss resellers that offer us a discount. The one that I used for my dash LEDs is Seattle Autosport. Brad gave me 170-972, which are the long ones for negative ground. They are blue in color, which complements the blue filters in the fuel and combo temp/oil pressure gauges. The short version is 170-971, which is for newer cars with shallow gauges. My gauges have been painted with gloss white paint, because the light is reflected off the inside of the case to illuminate the gauge. Sorry, I do not have a new catalog, so I used the numbers in catalog #MGB-96.

I am very happy with these LEDs. A fellow club member purchased some LEDs off evil-bay for his 77, and he is at a quandary about proceeding. The LEDs are too long to fit in the gauges, and since this car is destined for the market, rather than a keeper, he told me he was going to put the bulbs back in. In a 77, there is a green plastic filter that prevents the longer bulbs from being used, and he did not want to take the gauges back out to do that operation.

The below picture was taken in my garage after my speedometer came back from Nosinger after rebuild.


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rdgreen Robert Green
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia   AUS
In reply to # 3510412 by lgorg From an earlier post, actually posts as there are a few, the tail light LEDs bulb replacements did not fair very well. The problem with the tail light LEDS is inherent with all LEDs in regards to viewing. If you are directly behind a car with LEDs, they are bright. But, if you are not directly behind that car with LEDs, you may or may not even notice them. This is because with a single flat LED, the light is brightest directly behind them. If you are off to one side, they are not as bright or you actually can't see them. The consensus is, that replacing the turn, brake and tail lights with a one bulb replacement is not a good idea. For your own safety, you should consider replacing the whole lamp assembly with a circuit board that has many LEDs, so the whole lens lights up the same as a normal old fashion bulb. On a circuit board, not all the LEDs are aligned the same way, so the lighting is replicated the same as an old fashion bulb.

Regardless of which type you choose, you have to replace your signal flasher. The ones with the bulbs use current to heat up the switch inside the flasher so it breaks the current, and open the switch. LEDs use so little current, they don't heat up the switch, and the turn signals will not flash. They either on solid, or don't work at all unless you buy a flasher for LEDs.

Yep, you have to use the omni directional bulbs like these...and then there's no issue. This is what I use. Photo shows one "normal" bulb and one LED...... guess which is which.smiling smiley

www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/tail-brake-turn/1157-led-bulb-dual-function-45-smd-led-tower-bay15d-retrofit-car/814/

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davelinkson Dave Linkson
Croydon, Surrey, UK   GBR
I knew a guy from another forum who was supplying LED bulbs, his dash bulbs were fine and made a big difference, but I found the external bulbs ie rear light/brake lights and indicator led bulbs were not bright enough and not matching the standard OE bulbs. But I have heard & read that the Moss bulbs are now much better, but at a price! I stuck with new OE bulbs..

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ReggieB Gold Member Reg Beckett
Carstairs, Alberta, Canada   CAN
1974 MG MGB "GGB"
I put the Moss led bulbs in for tail and signal lights plus replaced the flashers. I like the brightness and it was an easy upgrade.
I had considered the ones that cover the whole issue inside but thought it was more money than I cared to spend at the time.

In reply to # 3511023 by davelinkson I knew a guy from another forum who was supplying LED bulbs, his dash bulbs were fine and made a big difference, but I found the external bulbs ie rear light/brake lights and indicator led bulbs were not bright enough and not matching the standard OE bulbs. But I have heard & read that the Moss bulbs are now much better, but at a price! I stuck with new OE bulbs..

arnolda Arnold Adams
Vancouver, Washington, USA   USA
I replaced all my external bulbs with LED's from Moss. I have been satisfied with the increase in brightness. Had a friend, after following me one night, comment on the brightness.

I noticed in the recent catalogue that the new LED bulbs from Moss have a different case design. It looks more like the filament bulb.

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Durham B Andy ellis
Durham, NC, USA   USA
1979 MG MGB
just curious, I have been thinking of the Moss dash bulbs myself, do you need to pull either the speedo or tach to install??

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tahoe36c Paul Hruza
Panama City, FL, USA   USA
1969 MG MGC GT "Little Red Rocket..."
1972 MG MGB GT "Tiny Dancer"
2002 Harley-Davidson Dyna
I am still amazed at how many people are so dependent on Moss Motors when there are so many other sources for the same products... LED bulbs are a dime a dozen. Just search ebay for "E10 SMD LED". The only problem that can arise is with the speedometer. Ensure you do not push the bulb holder too deep or it can foul the mechanism...

Another subject of interest for GT owners is gauge reflection on the windshield due to the increased lumen amount. You never noticed it before because the original incandescent bulbs were too dim... The reflection is not blinding by any means, but you will notice it is there.



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