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Pass it down (my rant)

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Chris Osterhus
Pittsburgh, USA   usa
In reply to # 2053528 by PaulF Young people and MG's: I'm 19 and I love my LBC's, but I won't be owning one for a while until I can afford to have 2 or probably 3 cars. I do love them though, in part because I've grown up around them. However, I certainly think that in my area the number of young people getting into the classic British roadsters is dwindling and the local scene doesn't seem too interested in doing anything about it.

I got my GT when I was 28. Granted, it was a total mess, but still. I too grew up around them--the GT was originally my dad's car. He drove it a few years, then pushed it into a garage when the tired engine finally went. Now, it's been restored, and most of the attention it gets...seems to be from the younger folks. Probably, because many of them have no idea what it is...or because it's bright orange and has a loud exhaust! Still, when I've been to shows, the younger folks usually do check out the MGs, and enthusiastically squeal when they find one for sale. Granted, they might not be able to afford it, or even purchase it...but the interest is there. Remember too, that there aren't as many of these cars compared to 30 years ago...and they're more expensive (usually) to obtain than a beat-up 10-year-old Honda.

Quote: Reliability: I've been driving a '77 BGT almost every day for the last 2.5 years. Has it left me on the side of the road? No. Has it broken? Oh, yes.

Mine's only let me down twice. Mainly because I maintain it, and I resist the urge to fiddle with things. Plus, I don't let the car sit if I can help it. Regular use is a *good* thing for MGs. Plus, we're talking about a 35-year-old (or in my case, a 43-year-old) vehicle. It's going to need more attention than a newer car. Things are going to wear out after that many years. The MG gets a pass, in other words.

Quote: Miatas Putting the Miata in the same boat as the Camry is just ridiculous.

For me, the Miata/MX-5 has been a modern interpretation of what the MGB (Lotus Elan/MGA/Healey/etc.) could be. Mazda knew that the market for an affordable two-seater was still there...and exploited the hell out of that fact. In fact, most of their copy hinted at the Jaguars/MGBS/Healeys in the past. Same idea--build an affordable, fun-to-drive car with off-the-shelf mechanicals, and you'll have a winner--same now as then. As for the Camry, it's not a bad car, but is a bit boring in comparison. If you really want a sedan (saloon) that handles well, look at an older Mazda Protege (323). When the copy said "it has BMW verve for half the price," they're not kidding. Great driver's car, a blast on twisty roads, and (electrical issues, at least with mine--see the Lucas connection?) annoyingly reliable.

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Paul F
Australia   aus
In reply to # 2053558 by ohlord Miata, MGB that was built properly.

Fixed that for you. spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

I have already expressed that I love my MG's, but I don't know anyone with a totally stock MGB that does a track day and other motorsport events at "ten tenths" every single month without mechanical issues. I know a number of MX-5's that do just that.

Maybe you American folks just built your cars better to begin with.
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Dan K
Alexandria, Virginia, USA   usa
I'm 26 and got into little British sports cars when my father bought a '57 Austin-Healey 100-6. There were a number of years when I did nothing more than hold the light (years in which the car didn't capture my imagination), but I learned lessons about repair, patience, and engineering as my father and uncle worked on the car. In high school my uncle gifted me his rolling tool chest once it became clear I'd put it to good use, and I started working on the Healey.

The Healey was both intimidatingly expensive and not comfortable enough to be a daily driver. Sophmore year of college I found an MG for sale nearby, and immediately fell in love with it. I tried my best to do an inspection for rust, bondo, faulty parts, etc., but still ended up overpaying for what knowledgeable MG owners would consider a parts car. I believed the DPO when he said it had no rust, that the carbs spitting back were just because it needed a tuning, that the engine rebuild was done by a competent mechanic. It had rust in the castle rails, lip of the bonnet, and trumpets, speaker holes cut out in the rear firewall, the head wept from what could be a hairline crack, and it had 86k miles. Still, I bought it, and I've poured TLC into that car; it's still my MG, and I still love it.

I love that I can work on it, make mistakes, and not worry that I've damaged something priceless; I can use it to learn, and it's all the more satisfying when I fix one of its numerous problems; the car rewards me with every mile I can drive in it. Sure, shitty DPO repairs often leave me stranded on the side of the road, and it was interesting when the clutch failed in rush hour traffic, but, for me, it's part of the spirit of the car. If none of those things could happen, I'd be driving a modern, plastic box.

I got a Miata with the idea that I'd have a reliable sports car to use while my MG is undergoing repairs, and it does serve this purpose...But the Miata feels soulless. It's too clean. I don't touch the road enough. Too much plastic. I can't feel the steering rack as I turn the wheel, and I can't picture the functioning of the hydraulic system when I push the brake. I have no idea what the computer is doing to the mixture and advance when I stomp on the gas. (And I get enough of computers in my day job.) And any old schlub can buy a Miata, turn a key, and drive. It takes commitment, patience, and mechanical ability to drive down the road in an MG.

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Shirley Koskela
Bryant Pond, USA   usa
I think the Brits built there TD`s motors after our Model A`s excep for that thing you call a carb..Just kidding around I drive my older MGB all the time.I drive it hard bring it home wet and park it untill i take it out again.It hasnt failed me sence I fixed the Grounding problem a year ago.It will do 70 like nothing and it cheeper to run then my full size Chevy PU and a hell of a lot more fun to drive.I found her about 8 years ago sitting behind a pile of dirt behind a house I gave $300.00 for it weeds and all stripped her down for a couple of years.Put a cheep paint on itand have been running it sence.Now I have bought a pile of new seals rubbers and crome will put a grant paint job on it this summer.
I have been playing arount with theses cars sence i was 14 my Br had a couple of bugeyes they were a blast to drive.Iam tinkering on the TD today the dam Vapor locking problem I will beat that problem.Being a old combat Eng.Iam used to doing strange stuff to get the job done.
Shirley Sr.
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Owen Frankland
Stockton on Tees, Cleveland, United Kingdom   gbr
1937 MG TA "Numbum"
1971 MG MGB GT "The Bruise"
2002 MG ZR
Why in the world would any youngster want to have anything to do with MGs.

They're unreliable, noisy, uncomfortable, underpowered, the electrics don't work and SUs are crap and need replacing with a Weber. That's according to many on this forum anyway.

If I'd seen this forum before buying an MG, I'd never have bought one, but fortunately I knew better. It did cross my mind that MG must have kept the good cars for the UK and only exported he rubbish. grinning smiley

There are youngsters interested in old cars, but most I know want to drive them and want reliability. The MGB has a much undeserved reputation for unreliability and won't interest the youngsters I know.

Keep perpetuating the myths and few will be interested.



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Rob C
North of Seattle, N.W., USA   usa
1971 MG MGB "Bedouin 2"
And I have a good laugh as I in My 41 year old MBG pass by a Honda ricer with two teens under the hood,engine smokin,scratching their heads. Done properly the MGB with all the modern gear available is every bit a dependable daily driver and far easier to maintain than any current car. Have never hesitated jumping in and driving round trip cross country the U.S.A.
You just need to build them properly. The members that understand that and know how to do it enjoy their MG's.the ones who don't complain of problems and issues sorted out years and years ago.
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Jim S.
NH, USA   usa
1980 MG MGB
"Have you hugged your MGB today?"

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John Schroeder
Downers Grove, IL, USA   usa
1967 MG MGB "Flobear"
My five year old grandaughter is alway asking for a ride in my B. I rarely turn her down. 40 degrees out and raining are my usual reasons. My children always give me crap about my LBC, but I know they would like one of their own!
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Toronto, ON '73 Supercharged MGB, flowed head, c, Canada   can
I plan on giving it to my kids. I need to keep it running for another 13 years though...better get used to me on the forum!

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Tammy U
Hell's Canyon, USA   usa
In reply to # 2052604 by NOHOME Troy:

I have to say tthat yes, the hobby will decline. Will it die out entirely? No, since people will always be in need of a hobby.

Driving in general is declining with young people. I was reading an article that claimed a 20% decline in 16-20 year olds driving when compoared to the 1970s. Truth is the group of kids that can afford to drive is declining at the same rate as the middle class in North America, so it will be a lucky kid who can afford to drive one of these cars 20 years down the road.

As to interest? I live two doors away from the elemetary school, with a virtual river of kids walking by at 8:50 am. It is a rare one that will notice the MGB GT as I am trying to get out the driveway.

Two thoughts: One: As a teacher who acquired her license 3 days after the 16 th birthday, married to a pilot who was driving farm trucks at age 9; parents of two children who have been driving since age 11, (both now drive stick, one at age 15, the other at age 12); I cannot fathom the new "non-driving" trend.

Second: I don't know about you, but that MGB is a 12 year old head turner! From about third grade up, they go nuts for it! It is the one thing in middle/high school that catapulted those two kids to rock star status! I pull up to pick up either one of them, and as they are departing, the heads turn and the screaming (middle school, they're too cool for that in High School) starts. My son is like a friggin' parade king! Daughter can drive it, so she is tres cool...



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Marco Sinai
Florida, USA   usa
1972 MG MGB GT "Viajero"
1999 Chevrolet Blazer "Works For Gas"
I had a reverse scenario - my 23 yr old niece re-infected ME with the MGB bug after a totally surprise 2 AM call in March '11. eye popping smiley I hadn't given them a thought since I sold my college days '68 RD in 1986.

I tried hard to interest my foster kid (hes 20 now) in MG's but to no avail. However I have lit up kids eyes at local shows and one 16 yr old is diligently saving $200 a month towards a B as we speak; he keeps me posted and as time permits comes by to help me tinker with mine thumbs up smiley



~ Marco and Viajero ~

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Steve Lacey
Spokane, Washington State, USA   usa
In reply to # 2053789 by oily-hands
If I'd seen this forum before buying an MG, I'd never have bought one, but fortunately I knew better. It did cross my mind that MG must have kept the good cars for the UK and only exported he rubbish. grinning smiley

That's interesting, Owen. MANY factors (real and imagined) and some rotten luck have conspired against my MG ownership over the last few years, and perhaps my fascination with this site is one of those factors. I think it will take a miracle now for everything to fall into place and for me to be happy with an MG in my driveway.
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Marco Sinai
Florida, USA   usa
1972 MG MGB GT "Viajero"
1999 Chevrolet Blazer "Works For Gas"
In reply to # 2053397 by 80MGBLE
In reply to # 2053341 by ohlord

Some people get on here and brag one day about how fantastic their car is and the next thing you know they have that POS all apart with pictures delving deep into the annals of it's broken engine.

How timely this bit here is for me LOL. This weekend's work which I posted, (replacing an inferior pot metal water pump and 40 yr old timing cover seal), was hardly a "broken engine" issue, just maintenance ANY machine needs sooner or later. My 1972 "POS" has less things wrong than my hi - tech "no user serviceable parts inside" late model Chevrolet truck eye rolling smiley



~ Marco and Viajero ~



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Rob C
North of Seattle, N.W., USA   usa
1971 MG MGB "Bedouin 2"
I wish to be completely dissociated from
In reply to # 2053397 by 80MGBLE


He and I are diametrically opposed in thoughts on MG's.
If you can't keep one of the simplest little sports cars properly maintained and on the road without fear of it falling apart or not being both fun to own and drive,it is probably time to turn the keys in and as he so aptly put it make it his last British car.


Snow 2012 went for a drive later that day.No worries about anything breaking,falling off,or not getting me to my desired destination.thumbs up
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Marco Sinai
Florida, USA   usa
1972 MG MGB GT "Viajero"
1999 Chevrolet Blazer "Works For Gas"
X2 Rob - the feeling I get from a successful work session on my B is the same as when I've composed a new guitar piece; creation, accomplishment, and satisfaction. And I am passing the karma on to those around me who are receptive smiling smiley

My B's gonna carry me 3000 fun miles this coming June; my SUV is NOT.



~ Marco and Viajero ~

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Jim Legg
Napa, California, USA   usa
Took the roadster out for a 90 mile errand cause I couldn't figure out why the 'Check Engine' light was on in my modern mobile.



"Not all who wander are lost." -J.R.R. Tolkien
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D.J. B
Solano County, CA, USA   usa
1967 MG MGB
I'm 25 and currently own a 67 and 72 MGB, both grandfathers had Healy 3000's, and my father had 3 MGB's and a spitfire at one point. I try to infect who I can.

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Rob C
North of Seattle, N.W., USA   usa
1971 MG MGB "Bedouin 2"
Get an obd2 scanner for $50 at harborfreight tools. Plug it in under the dash,read the code and post it.MG guys can fix anythingwinking smiley
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rick dentel
yardley, pa, USA   usa
A few years ago I drove by a bunch of teenagers in Philadelphia in my 70 Mini Cooper (since sold) dark blue/white roof,right hand drive 10 by 6 Revolution Wheels loud Peco exhaust. I only got a few blocks before I was pulled over by a bunch of Hondas. They thought the car was really cool. I let the cat out of the bag and told them I guy in NC was putting Honda Vtech engines in them.

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andrew marvin
lakewood, ohio, USA   usa
i'm 34 and have two boys, 5 and 7. they are curious about various vehicles and even though they have only rode down the street in the B (bought it a week ago and want to get insurance and registration in place first) they are anxious to go for a real drive. they like cars and are out there occasionally when i'm working on something but i don't want to force them to help me (that it until it's their car i'm wrenching on). they do like older cars (sound, smell, feel...) and go with me to the occasional car show so maybe one day they will buy something like a B. but in my area prone to car cancer, it is quite difficult finding decent older cars for sale. i can't imagine how limited the selection will be in 10 years.

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