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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #41
blackmgb Fred McConnell Hollidaysburg, Pennsylvania, USA 1992 Mazda Miata NA "MAC"	Posted: November 20, 2010 05:50PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,194

So, are you going to make one of these, or we are just saying, "that's cool?"

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #42
tonyjennes Tony Jennes San Juan Capistrano, CA, California, USA 1953 Nash Rambler 1969 MG MGB GT	Posted: November 20, 2010 05:56PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 408

In reply to a post by blackmgb So, are you going to make one of these, or we are just saying, "that's cool?"

If there is enough interest in one or more designs, I am going to make them and sell.

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #43
favedave David Church Saint Joseph, MO, USA 1967 MG MGB GT "Marilyn" 1995 Ford Probe 1995 Ford Probe "The Probe"	Posted: November 20, 2010 06:03PM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 1,827

Tony,

I am definately in favor of Design 1. I like how the design flows from and echos the original grill. This gives us builders some options like using the B-Grill inserts (vertical bars, octagon mesh,) to give it a "factory" look, something matching of our own choosing, or just to leave it alone. The split-lip spoiler in Design 1 also echos the mid to late 60s practice of using winglets, usually a sheet of aluminum cut to shape and pop rivited to the right and left sides of the front valance. (The Ferraris at the 67 Targa Florio used them.) The brake holes are also a nice match to the MGB GTS prototype running at the Targa Florio in 1967. So all around I'd say this is inkeeping with where Abingdon might have gone to keep the MGB alive.

What I would change is the roll rate of the front valance as it tucks under the car. This should begin curving sooner and the horizontal profile of the bottom should be the reverse of the horizontal profile of the hood. Sebring front ends tend to have a Healey inspired bottom edge rather than Pinen Farina (who did the GT's roof design). It's a subtle change but looks much more 'aerodynamic' ala Ferrari, Jaguar, Aston Martin.

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #44
tonyjennes Tony Jennes San Juan Capistrano, CA, California, USA 1953 Nash Rambler 1969 MG MGB GT	Posted: November 20, 2010 06:14PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 408

In reply to a post by favedave Tony,

I am definately in favor of Design 1. I like how the design flows from and echos the original grill. This gives us builders some options like using the B-Grill inserts (vertical bars, octagon mesh,) to give it a "factory" look, something matching of our own choosing, or just to leave it alone. The split-lip spoiler in Design 1 also echos the mid to late 60s practice of using winglets, usually a sheet of aluminum cut to shape and pop rivited to the right and left sides of the front valance. (The Ferraris at the 67 Targa Florio used them.) The brake holes are also a nice match to the MGB GTS prototype running at the Targa Florio in 1967. So all around I'd say this is inkeeping with where Abingdon might have gone to keep the MGB alive.

What I would change is the roll rate of the front valance as it tucks under the car. This should begin curving sooner and the horizontal profile of the bottom should be the reverse of the horizontal profile of the hood. Sebring front ends tend to have a Healey inspired bottom edge rather than Pinen Farina (who did the GT's roof design). It's a subtle change but looks much more 'aerodynamic' ala Ferrari, Jaguar, Aston Martin.

Dave

Hey Dave,
Thanks for the input. For this design and all designs for that matter, I would have an optional split or full lip spoiler to add to the mix. I think I get the gist of what you are suggesting with the roll rate. Since I'm a visual person, are there any specific cars/racecars that I can look at which have those design cue's that you suggest?

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #45
mjamgb michael anderson NORTHERN NEVADA, USA 1954 MG Magnette ZA 1967 MG MGB 1973 MG MGB 1974 MG Midget	Posted: November 21, 2010 01:36AM Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 6,395

Will the cut-outs be "optional?"

i.e. not actually cut out unless the purchaser desires to do so? I ask because I'm not partial to introducing a lot of air under my car unless it is cooling something, although texture there is not aerodynamically detrimental.

Edit to say: Actually, were I to do a kit, I'd like one of the somewhat ungainly looking long nose leMans kits... the one that sucked up a dog on the Mulsanne straight and cooked the motor. Dunno why that intrigues me so... winking smiley

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #46
bannanabomb matthew archer Welwyn, On my sofa, United Kingdom 1980 MG MGB GT "Banana Bomb"	Posted: November 21, 2010 05:15AM Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 633

The second one is like mine but mine will have fogs in the circular recesses. I'd be seriously interested in something to tie it to the back of the car and even some sideskirts minus the fender flairs (I lack the power to back up the muscles) lol!

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #47
lhess Lloyd Hess Danville, Va., USA 1974 MG MGB 1977 MG MGB 2001 Jaguar XJ8	Posted: November 21, 2010 05:48AM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 1,324

1st design. I like it.

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #48
sws615 Stephen Struck Grand Haven, MI, USA 1967 MG MGB GT 1975 MG MGB "Commission # G23N124120" 2007 Acura TL Type-S	Posted: November 21, 2010 06:22AM Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 3,555

Tony,

I like #1 but would like to see a straight, head on view to get a better idea. IMHO one of the issues with many valences is they make the B look too vertical. Any way to limit that (either in real dimensions or visual tricks) is the right direction. Also like to minimize the number of cut outs as it can make a very simple, elegant front end look busy.

The problem with asking for opinions is you get them. winking smiley

Steve

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #49
Speedracer Hap Waldrop Greenville, SC, USA 1967 MG MGB "The Biscuit"	Posted: November 21, 2010 08:10AM Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 20,331

I like #1 the best, but would rather see a center duct hole with no split in the middle, since this would the best flowing design for anyone running a oil cooling below the radiator shelf on the bottom. Also you may want to make the ducting cut-out solid, and maybe slightly recessed, this would allow early MGB only that have no need for lower center ducting to go for faux look or fill it in. Alot of the current valance offerings sit slightly counter sunk when bolted on, a flush to the fender and grille line is the look alot of us want and many of us modify current offerings to do, make this part of your design ,and should be a hit. One of things that make frown away from some front spoiler air dam designs is they are parking lot stop grabbers destined to damaged, even though a really slow slung spoiler looks good, it's really not practical for street driving, so doing research on the proper ride height and aking your design survivable for normal street drving will be a plus. I also think there is market for something better than the current Sebring front valance, this unit is almost used exclusively by the vintage racing crowd, but has alot of shortcomings, sloppy looking add on brake ducts that incorrecting located for duct hose, less than desireable center duct holes, and non flush mounting, you make unit that fixes all this, you may find MGB racers knocking on your door, making two of glass is also a good deal, HD for street and as light as you can make it for the racer, which is normally matt shot thru a chopper gun.

The biggest advice I could give you is be real health careful making glass composite pieces, lots of guys, a couple I known personally have lost thier lives making this type of stuff for many years and not being careful, look after for you and your health, be safe!

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #50
Grizly Bouvet G Montreal, Canada 1973 MG MGB GT	Posted: November 21, 2010 09:43AM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 18

AS the others, I really like the 1st one... simplicity, smoothy lines and not so big... Great.
G

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Here's some examples #51
favedave David Church Saint Joseph, MO, USA 1967 MG MGB GT "Marilyn" 1995 Ford Probe 1995 Ford Probe "The Probe"	Posted: November 21, 2010 11:04AM Registered: 2 years ago Posts: 1,827

Hopefully these three present what I'm suggesting as far as the roll under. The 250 GT is in the same vein as the B-GT. The Targa Florio pic shows off the relatively radical winglets for down force.

Dave

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #52
mjamgb michael anderson NORTHERN NEVADA, USA 1954 MG Magnette ZA 1967 MG MGB 1973 MG MGB 1974 MG Midget	Posted: November 21, 2010 01:11PM Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 6,395

What about making them in two pieces split in the middle so that side-to-side variances can be easily dealt with?

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #53
kirks-auto robert kirk Davenport, Iowa, Rock Island, Illinois, Clearwater, USA	Posted: November 21, 2010 01:56PM Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 13,091

Posting to monitor. Interesting ideas.

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #54
tonyjennes Tony Jennes San Juan Capistrano, CA, California, USA 1953 Nash Rambler 1969 MG MGB GT	Posted: November 21, 2010 07:10PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 408

Since you guys (and my wife) like design #1, I came up with a few more designs for street or race purpose:

#1 (race purpose)
-solid brake ducting cut outs.
-full grille opening for optimal air flow.
-valance is flush to fender and grille line providing better aerodynamics and looks.
-split lip spoiler.

#2 (street purpose)
-removed brake duct cut outs for cleaner look.
-full grille opening with mesh insert.
-valance is flush to fender and grille line providing better looks.
-split lip spoiler.

#3 (street purpose)
-exactly like #2 but with full lip spoiler.

I am also exploring the possibility of making valances from fiberglass reinforced plastic which will produce a more
flexible part and also minimize cracking and other damage associated with fiberglass.

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #55
tonyjennes Tony Jennes San Juan Capistrano, CA, California, USA 1953 Nash Rambler 1969 MG MGB GT	Posted: November 21, 2010 07:10PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 408

#2

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #56
tonyjennes Tony Jennes San Juan Capistrano, CA, California, USA 1953 Nash Rambler 1969 MG MGB GT	Posted: November 21, 2010 07:11PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 408

#3

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #57
Steve S Lost in the California mountains, USA 1925 Ford Model T 1939 Ford V8 1949 MG TC 1953 MG YB 1958 MG MGA → more	Posted: November 21, 2010 07:44PM Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 14,637

Missed you today, Tony!

Regarding valances, I like simple better, and the full lower lip. Reason being that it suits the classic lines of the car better, whereas the split lip and more complex designs look very modern and clash (in my opinion) with the simple lines of the car. Your most recent designs are more to my liking but I think that opening is way, way too big. It takes attention away from the grill, which is the signature of any proper car.

I also have to wonder if allowing such full flow through the valance will upset road holding at high speed. I'm by no means an expert on aerodynamics but it does cause me concern by my own logic (or lack thereof!).

My opinion, simple lines that compliment what the car's designers crafted, while adding a hint of sportiness and interest. There should definitely be a performance enhancement, aerodynamically speaking, if I'm going to even consider changing to something like this. Then again, I'm not really your target audience.

Here's the valance on my car which I really love the look of. It's modeled after the factory C/GTS competition design.

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #58
Grizly Bouvet G Montreal, Canada 1973 MG MGB GT	Posted: November 21, 2010 08:10PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 18

HI tony thanks for the new shot, I'm still for the first one of the first round. I'm very curious for the fenders :-)
See you G

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #59
Grizly Bouvet G Montreal, Canada 1973 MG MGB GT	Posted: November 21, 2010 08:33PM Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 18

perhaps should give some ideas... the car of Warwick Banks

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Re: Anyone need a Sebring or custom body kit??? #60
tonyjennes Tony Jennes San Juan Capistrano, CA, California, USA 1953 Nash Rambler 1969 MG MGB GT	Posted: November 21, 2010 09:19PM Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 408

Hey Steve!
Sorry I missed you this morning. I couldn't pull myself out of bed in time, just one of those mornings. Thanks for all your input, its always good to hear different opinions on design. Now that I can take a step back from my renderings, I can kind of see what you mean by the grille opening being too large. I think once I start the clay modeling process, I can make changes three dimensionally and actually see what's going on, rather than looking at a 2D drawing. The general idea, what I was going after, of having a valance opening which compliments the grille is there in the drawing. The opening may look too big in a drawing, but look fine in clay. Its just one of those things I'll have to figure out when I get there.

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