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Harvard's prestigious debate team loses to NY inmates
Published October 06, 2015Associated Press

BOSTON – A group of New York inmates has toppled Harvard's prestigious debate team.

It took place at the Eastern New York Correctional Facility, a maximum-security prison in Napanoch. The Ivy League undergrads were invited last month to debate the inmates who take in-prison courses taught by Bard College faculty.

Harvard's team won the national title this year and the world championship in 2014.

But the inmates are building a reputation, too. The club has notched victories against teams from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and the University of Vermont.

Against Harvard, the inmates were tasked with defending the position that public schools should be allowed to turn away students whose parents came to the U.S. illegally. Harvard's team responded, but a panel of neutral judges declared the inmates victorious.

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HiPowerShooter James Booker
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People should understand that there are not only "thugs" in the prisons, but MD's, attorneys, stock brokers, cops etc...Not ALL inmates are ignorant street level criminals. Doesn't surprise me.


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The real debate was in the court room.... who won there?eye rolling smiley

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Is it really that much of a surprise that there are a lot of master debaters in prison?hot smiley

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How do you decide who wins a debate? Does one side have to concede? Or does a closed minded panel of observers just make a declaration of the winner. Around here I never see anyone winning, just arguing, name calling and personal attacks

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In reply to # 3100616 by LaVerne The real debate was in the court room.... who won there?eye rolling smiley


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Gerry...in prison?? the inmates, unless you got smokes, around here, simple democratic majority 51/49 not including that 3/5ths of a person sweeping the floor..smoking smiley

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As they are all serving time - I imagine they always have the "Home Court" advantage....


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To those to whom it seems to be...."
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melbaver Gold Member Chris Howells
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Adjudication of debates is formulaic and strict.....it's not a wishy washy TV show with a worm and viewer feedback. It is very much a verbal joust with Speaker 1 laying the foundation, Speaker 2 cementing that foundation and supplying some rebuttal, whilst speaker 3 provides all rebuttal and closing summary. The responding team have a distinct advantage.

Each speaker is judged on the following:

The categories for judging shall be:

•Content - 10 marks

•Delivery - 10 marks

•Arguments made - 5 marks

•Rebuttals - 5 marks

•Teamwork - 5 marks

•Time Keeping - 5 marks

•Overall Impression - 10 marks

Total - 50 marks



http://flynn.debating.net/old/judge.htm


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Any points for direct spitball hits?

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Gerry...how bout flying beer bottles and sucker punches...thats how we did it at I Tappa Kegga.....smoking smiley

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lewisrn Gold Member Bob L
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You mean that in a real debate there's something other than "If you don't believe like I do you must be an idiot"?

Hard to understand that concept. winking smiley


“Ideological certainty easily degenerates into an insistence upon ignorance". Daniel Patrick Moynihan

In any debate, the side which strays from civil discussion is usually the side that lacks confidence in its debate position or in the merit of their arguments. Making personal attacks on the opponents instead of staying on the subject is also a sign of weakness.

Anyone who feels compelled to respond in kind to any perceived slight is often suffering from narcissism.

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