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Having owned a number British cars, including my current 67 GT and 50 TD; I am considering having a late model MG built into a modern MG. That is a MGB that has been rebuilt to be somewhat of a restomod B. A B with modern car features. New suspension, nice interior, AC, etc. Updated power plant and transmission.
Don't get me wrong, I love driving my MG. I used to have a Mazda RX8 and while it was a super fast car, it has a totally different feel. Not as much "seat of the pants" as my B. But the RX8 was smoother, more comfortable, faster and (i hate to say it) more reliable.
I know there are companies in Germany and in England that have produced some great looking MG's, but what about in the states? Any shops that have done any good restomods for MGB'S?
Many of you would say "why would you want to do that', Well, look at all the 60's US cars that are being upgraded to a more modern car. Why not the B?
Bruce E. Cunha
Don't get me wrong, I love driving my MG. I used to have a Mazda RX8 and while it was a super fast car, it has a totally different feel. Not as much "seat of the pants" as my B. But the RX8 was smoother, more comfortable, faster and (i hate to say it) more reliable.
I know there are companies in Germany and in England that have produced some great looking MG's, but what about in the states? Any shops that have done any good restomods for MGB'S?
Many of you would say "why would you want to do that', Well, look at all the 60's US cars that are being upgraded to a more modern car. Why not the B?
Bruce E. Cunha
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BMC Autos in Minneapolis.
Eclectic Motorworks in Holland Michigan.
Sportscar Craftsmen in Denver.
These shops would all be places to start looking.
All these shops and many others can do the work. They just don't market a finished product like Frontline does.
Eclectic Motorworks in Holland Michigan.
Sportscar Craftsmen in Denver.
These shops would all be places to start looking.
All these shops and many others can do the work. They just don't market a finished product like Frontline does.
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Or you can visit the darkside - we're not just about sticking V8s in them and not everyone is DIY.
Mk1: CKD 11/66 first registered 8/5/67; owned since 3/77. 18GB +40 balanced. Peter Burgess BVFR head. Piper 285. 123. FidanzaFW. 4synch c/r box. Lots more as I did a nut and bolt rebuild; finished 2015. Tartan Red.
GT: December '78. VW Golf guards, flush fit front and rear valances. Torana XU1 vents, frenched indicators & Mk1 rear lights. 'Worked' Rover V8 with Monsoon ECU for EFI. GM4L60E, Lokar tiptronic & Quick4 controller. Vintage Air A/C. FC IFS. CCE 4 link rear. Salisbury with Quaife. Jaguar Storm.
Mk1: CKD 11/66 first registered 8/5/67; owned since 3/77. 18GB +40 balanced. Peter Burgess BVFR head. Piper 285. 123. FidanzaFW. 4synch c/r box. Lots more as I did a nut and bolt rebuild; finished 2015. Tartan Red.
GT: December '78. VW Golf guards, flush fit front and rear valances. Torana XU1 vents, frenched indicators & Mk1 rear lights. 'Worked' Rover V8 with Monsoon ECU for EFI. GM4L60E, Lokar tiptronic & Quick4 controller. Vintage Air A/C. FC IFS. CCE 4 link rear. Salisbury with Quaife. Jaguar Storm.
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You're in a unique situation. In CA, late model Bs are subject to smog rules, which as of yet, are problematic. Its kind of a moot point really because the rules don't let you upgrade the powerplant. But you can get away with it on an earlier car, if I'm not mistaken.
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In reply to # 3383122 by B-racer
You're in a unique situation. In CA, late model Bs are subject to smog rules, which as of yet, are problematic. Its kind of a moot point really because the rules don't let you upgrade the powerplant. But you can get away with it on an earlier car, if I'm not mistaken.
For engine swaps CA smog rules on anything post 75 are a huge headache but you can register an engine swap. I've never known anyone to enjoy that process and as there are so many pre 75 MGBs around I don't know why anyone would want to struggle with it.
EDIT - I'm wrong about a B though there'd be no approvable engine that could be swapped into it
I have no idea what I'm doing. That's why I'm doing it.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-28 01:16 PM by Tau511.
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There are several people across the US that can accomplish your needs.
First, ask these questions in "MG ENGINE SWAPS" section of the MGB Experience. Look at the Forum List Column on the left side of the webpage.
Two choices that work together, from afar:
CLASSIC CONVERSIONS
1744 N. Lyndhurst
Camarillo, CA 93010
bg.gtv6@verizon.net
(805) 484-1528
http://www.classicconversionseng.com/Contact-CCE.htm
Classic British Sports Car Restortion V8/V6
Brian McCullough
651-462-0145
Stacy, Minnesota
http://www.bmcautos.com
You can either take your MGB to one of their shops, or they can sell you all the "special parts" that make the conversion easier.
RNTanner1939@gmail.com
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First, ask these questions in "MG ENGINE SWAPS" section of the MGB Experience. Look at the Forum List Column on the left side of the webpage.
Two choices that work together, from afar:
CLASSIC CONVERSIONS
1744 N. Lyndhurst
Camarillo, CA 93010
bg.gtv6@verizon.net
(805) 484-1528
http://www.classicconversionseng.com/Contact-CCE.htm
Classic British Sports Car Restortion V8/V6
Brian McCullough
651-462-0145
Stacy, Minnesota
http://www.bmcautos.com
You can either take your MGB to one of their shops, or they can sell you all the "special parts" that make the conversion easier.
RNTanner1939@gmail.com
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In reply to # 3382912 by Bruce Cunha
Many of you would say "why would you want to do that', Well, look at all the 60's US cars that are being upgraded to a more modern car. Why not the B?
Many of you would say "why would you want to do that', Well, look at all the 60's US cars that are being upgraded to a more modern car. Why not the B?
In a word, cost. If I read your post correctly, you're not just talking about an engine swap but a new car altogether.
The retro Mustangs and others are very, very pricey. Folks here pale at the thought of an $80k Front line but a Revology Mustang starts at $175k. A " new " 57 Chevy from Thunder starts at $120k. A new Defender from East Coast starts at $180k.
If that's your thought, expect pricing to be similar for an MGB.
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Yep, I figured price would be high. I know what custom cars are selling for at auction, but I am thinking I want something that I like, and I have always liked MG cars. And I just don't see modified MG's coming up all that often. That is why the question. The next step is finding that one shop that I can work with to come up with a new/old MG.
As for smog. I was thinking about that. My thought was to use a rubber bumper 74. As I remember, the rubber bumper has more engine space. Is that correct? Also, To make it look like a newer car, I think the rubber bumper gives more potential for looking like the bumpers on new cars.
Frontline is a potential. That would probably get me to around $75,000 with shipping. I would have to see if they do rubber bumper cars and then left hand drive. The plus with them is that this is what they do.
(BTW, I would still keep my 67 GT and drive it as I currently do.
Bruce E. Cunha
As for smog. I was thinking about that. My thought was to use a rubber bumper 74. As I remember, the rubber bumper has more engine space. Is that correct? Also, To make it look like a newer car, I think the rubber bumper gives more potential for looking like the bumpers on new cars.
Frontline is a potential. That would probably get me to around $75,000 with shipping. I would have to see if they do rubber bumper cars and then left hand drive. The plus with them is that this is what they do.
(BTW, I would still keep my 67 GT and drive it as I currently do.
Bruce E. Cunha
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Nice stroked BOPR on sale up here.
Or if you want one built to your specs
Bradley Restoration in Mt vernon wa.
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Or if you want one built to your specs
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"If you want a modern car, you are looking at a modern suspension, modern electrics, modern AC, power brakes, electric assist steering, and so on."
That's why I said come over to the darkside as we're into all that. For example my GT will have modern front suspension and brakes courtesy of Fastcars; 4 link rear courtesy of Bill Guzman; new wiring courtesy of AAW, A/C, power windows, central locking, LED lighting, power mirrors with indicators, modern instrumentation etc but will also have an old school V8 (but with EFI) and T5 transmission.
Mk1: CKD 11/66 first registered 8/5/67; owned since 3/77. 18GB +40 balanced. Peter Burgess BVFR head. Piper 285. 123. FidanzaFW. 4synch c/r box. Lots more as I did a nut and bolt rebuild; finished 2015. Tartan Red.
GT: December '78. VW Golf guards, flush fit front and rear valances. Torana XU1 vents, frenched indicators & Mk1 rear lights. 'Worked' Rover V8 with Monsoon ECU for EFI. GM4L60E, Lokar tiptronic & Quick4 controller. Vintage Air A/C. FC IFS. CCE 4 link rear. Salisbury with Quaife. Jaguar Storm.
That's why I said come over to the darkside as we're into all that. For example my GT will have modern front suspension and brakes courtesy of Fastcars; 4 link rear courtesy of Bill Guzman; new wiring courtesy of AAW, A/C, power windows, central locking, LED lighting, power mirrors with indicators, modern instrumentation etc but will also have an old school V8 (but with EFI) and T5 transmission.
Mk1: CKD 11/66 first registered 8/5/67; owned since 3/77. 18GB +40 balanced. Peter Burgess BVFR head. Piper 285. 123. FidanzaFW. 4synch c/r box. Lots more as I did a nut and bolt rebuild; finished 2015. Tartan Red.
GT: December '78. VW Golf guards, flush fit front and rear valances. Torana XU1 vents, frenched indicators & Mk1 rear lights. 'Worked' Rover V8 with Monsoon ECU for EFI. GM4L60E, Lokar tiptronic & Quick4 controller. Vintage Air A/C. FC IFS. CCE 4 link rear. Salisbury with Quaife. Jaguar Storm.
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go see Glen , and make it like it was supposed to be, he used to do it in a weekend
http://www.britishv8.org/articles/rover-hot-wire-efi.htm
http://www.britishv8.org/articles/rover-hot-wire-efi.htm
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Excellent. This is just what I wanted. To go this route and spend the kind of money it will take to build the car I want, means spending the time to really research what is out there, and this forum is giving me new avenues to evaluate this. Seen too many horror stories about folks having a shop start a build only to end up having to take the car somewhere else and spending a lot more money.
Reliability is also an issue. I want a shop that really knows MG's and what is available out there for parts that work. I know the Engine swap people have gone down this road with the "what works" category and will be checking with them also.
Peter. Thanks for the link. The magazine looks like it also has some good areas to look into.
Bruce E. Cunha
Reliability is also an issue. I want a shop that really knows MG's and what is available out there for parts that work. I know the Engine swap people have gone down this road with the "what works" category and will be checking with them also.
Peter. Thanks for the link. The magazine looks like it also has some good areas to look into.
Bruce E. Cunha
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-30 10:49 AM by ohlord.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-30 10:49 AM by ohlord.
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