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Rear brake cylinder rebuild question - which direction do the seals go?
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Rear brake cylinder rebuild question - which direction do the seals go?
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Like this.
With all due respect if you're going to pull things apart without paying attention to how they go back together your MG Experience is likely to be frustrating and traumatic and in the case of the brakes possibly even tragic !
With all due respect if you're going to pull things apart without paying attention to how they go back together your MG Experience is likely to be frustrating and traumatic and in the case of the brakes possibly even tragic !
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Greg - The flanged part of the seal is intentionally larger than the cylinder bore. You want it to 'seal'. With the seal properly installed on the piston. Assuming that everything has been fastidiously cleaned and the bore is smooth. Apply a light coat of clean brake fluid to the exposed seal. Insert into the bore until 'lips' of seal touch edge of bore. Carefully work around the seal compressing it into the bore, then slide home. If you just attempt to push it in the 'lips' will fold over and defeat the purpose and likely ruin the seal. If you have already forced them into the bore, do not attempt to use them. Get new ones.
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Indeed, I still have the honing device for polishing brake cylinder walls and loose seals, but nowadays I just renew the whole cylinder. In Holland using a refurbished brake cylinder will mean MoT (APK) failure and the APK certified person may loose his license.
How they find this out on an assembled part beats me, but ever since this garage no longer dares to sell me repair parts for rear brake cylinders. Not having them in stock is the safest..
How they find this out on an assembled part beats me, but ever since this garage no longer dares to sell me repair parts for rear brake cylinders. Not having them in stock is the safest..
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Better yet, buy brand new wheel cylinders. They are inexpensive.
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In reply to # 3028791 by socalmgfan
Yeah. I was in a hurry when I pulled it apart. I shouldn't have until the rebuild kit arrived. That's my normal methodology. My seals are the right ones but either way overlap the cylinder bore and won't slide in.
A lot of times you need to disassemble things to see what you need to order. A digital camera and a bit of time is cheap insurance. Or, go to my website and see if I've covered it, in this case I had.
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Dave
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In reply to # 3029081 by Donthuis
In Holland using a refurbished brake cylinder will mean MoT (APK) failure and the APK certified person may loose his license.
How they find this out on an assembled part beats me, but ever since this garage no longer dares to sell me repair parts for rear brake cylinders. Not having them in stock is the safest.
How they find this out on an assembled part beats me, but ever since this garage no longer dares to sell me repair parts for rear brake cylinders. Not having them in stock is the safest.
I don't know where you've got this knowledge from but this is so not true.
As long the cilinders aren't leaking it isn't a mot failure, it's permitted to refurbish them.
Whether it's wiser to refurbish or to renew is up to you.
Stef.
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Well one can consult his two telephone thick books with APK regulations, but that's what my licensed "keurmeester" told me and why should I doubt him?.
We once studied together the detailed regulations on safety belts, incredible how detailed the rules were. And they changed over time as well..
Losing your APK/MoT license by summing up deducted points per failed inspection is faster than ever
If you are a APK specialist please tell us your Dutch license reference and the basis of your statement in the Dutch ruling
We once studied together the detailed regulations on safety belts, incredible how detailed the rules were. And they changed over time as well..
Losing your APK/MoT license by summing up deducted points per failed inspection is faster than ever
If you are a APK specialist please tell us your Dutch license reference and the basis of your statement in the Dutch ruling
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I don't know where you've got this knowledge from but this is so not true.
As long the cilinders aren't leaking it isn't a mot failure, it's permitted to refurbish them.
Whether it's wiser to refurbish or to renew is up to you.
Stef.
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In Holland using a refurbished brake cylinder will mean MoT (APK) failure and the APK certified person may loose his license.
How they find this out on an assembled part beats me, but ever since this garage no longer dares to sell me repair parts for rear brake cylinders. Not having them in stock is the safest.
How they find this out on an assembled part beats me, but ever since this garage no longer dares to sell me repair parts for rear brake cylinders. Not having them in stock is the safest.
I don't know where you've got this knowledge from but this is so not true.
As long the cilinders aren't leaking it isn't a mot failure, it's permitted to refurbish them.
Whether it's wiser to refurbish or to renew is up to you.
Stef.
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Well I will not continue this any further, Stef. I used to carry all kind of seals with me on holiday. Now for the ones in the rearbrake cylinder I honed a defective one found on my last APK (by the same person I mentioned before) and put the reserve seal in. I now have a complete, restored rear brake cylinder as a spare part in the back of my B.
And new, not refurbished calipers up front, they come now so cheap it's no use to put new seals in (Practical Classics had an article on how to do it, I will never use now)..
And new, not refurbished calipers up front, they come now so cheap it's no use to put new seals in (Practical Classics had an article on how to do it, I will never use now)..
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Hi Don,
Yes, you should doubt him.
It's just not true, and because it's a part of my job I can tell.
Best regards,
Stef.
Yes, you should doubt him.
It's just not true, and because it's a part of my job I can tell.
Best regards,
Stef.
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