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Posted by bootsie
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Gents, iv,e removed my steering column, ( resto proj ) the horn was,nt working previously as can be seen. The pic shows the column as it came out. I have given it a brush up and marked the centre line on removal. Now manuals are great when everything is present, but if anything is mising my brain stops. According to the "C" workshop manual there should be a contact rotor assembly and a few bits i seem to be missing. The end of the shaft shows an electrical connector clamped on to a purple wire, i can move it about 1/2" and i dont know where it goes to in the shaft or where the other end is supposed to go if there was a wire connected. . There is a stop threaded into the shaft, it looks home made ?? I cant find a refernce to this anywhere. The spring and plastic washer thing were loose in the wheel, and no circlip, again i dont know where that goes. Because the manuals do not show a complete assembley i,m lost. Can some one please send me a picture like mine complete but without the direction indicator unit and housing. Or last resort could one of you draw it.
A big ask i know.
Lastly if any of you have done a back to the metal full restoration, you have my total admiration.
A big ask i know.
Lastly if any of you have done a back to the metal full restoration, you have my total admiration.
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Robert Kirk (RIP)
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Sep 17, 2014 10:42 AM
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Yours, if you didn't know is UK spec and unlike NA spec. Should be the same as MGB.
Not as clear as hoped but basically the center item on this page....
http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=456#top
So many of the parts are NLA may explain why you have a hack job. Visit some breakers.
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Not as clear as hoped but basically the center item on this page....
http://www.moss-europe.co.uk/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=456#top
So many of the parts are NLA may explain why you have a hack job. Visit some breakers.
Regards,
Robert Kirk
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Dave Burley
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Sep 17, 2014 07:46 PM
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Paul-
Easy stuff first... what you are calling a "homemade?" stop threaded into the shaft (just left of the tip of your middle finger) is, probably, the cancelling knob for the turn signals. I got a new one of those with a replacement turn signal switch, although, my shaft had a different cancelling device attached.
As for the horn button, I don't think you're missing too many parts, save the small circlip that fits in the end of the steering shaft. Look at box labeled #14 in Craig's diagram. The "wire" sticking out of the end of the shaft just goes down the shaft and makes a 90 deg. bend and makes contact with the fluted brass ring that your ring finger is touching. The spring and plastic tube in your hand slides over the "wire" sticking out the end of the shaft, and is held in place with the missing circlip. The plastic tube is to insulate the button on the end from the steering column. All that should create a spring loaded button just proud of the end of the column. That is what contacts the horn push assembly in the center of the steering wheel.
Hope all that makes sense-
Dave
Easy stuff first... what you are calling a "homemade?" stop threaded into the shaft (just left of the tip of your middle finger) is, probably, the cancelling knob for the turn signals. I got a new one of those with a replacement turn signal switch, although, my shaft had a different cancelling device attached.
As for the horn button, I don't think you're missing too many parts, save the small circlip that fits in the end of the steering shaft. Look at box labeled #14 in Craig's diagram. The "wire" sticking out of the end of the shaft just goes down the shaft and makes a 90 deg. bend and makes contact with the fluted brass ring that your ring finger is touching. The spring and plastic tube in your hand slides over the "wire" sticking out the end of the shaft, and is held in place with the missing circlip. The plastic tube is to insulate the button on the end from the steering column. All that should create a spring loaded button just proud of the end of the column. That is what contacts the horn push assembly in the center of the steering wheel.
Hope all that makes sense-
Dave
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Hi Robert, yes mine is a british spec and your absolutely bang on about availability of certain parts. I,ve scoured the net looking for these bits as yet no luck, As for breakers yards, parts for the "C" are rarer than hens teeth, if i hit a brick wall i,m thinking about using the cigareete lighter hole on my facia and rigging up a klaxon type horn, shame i know but not the end of the world i guess.
thanks
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Robert Kirk (RIP)
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Sep 18, 2014 09:30 AM
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These MGC parts are probably identical to MGB parts in the UK only. That is what I was trying to point out...as MGB steering columns should be most readily available. I can not say sure but strongly suspect that is the case. My knowledge of UK spec is not as good as NA spec but in terms of the column itself, I believe they are identical in most respects to the given market.
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Sep 18, 2014 03:31 PM
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Hi Paul, the homemade threaded lump is a bodge for indicator cancelling as you do not show in the picture the metal clip that is normally fitted to the column that cancels the indicator
The spring and nylon insulator go in the end of the column where the wire is and the other end of that wire should be connected to the brass ring, which in turn is a slip contact ring for two sprung metal contacts on the indicator stalk assembly. From the indicator assembly the purple wire continues to the ground side of the hooters.
There should be a white nylon bush in the end of the outer tube that the inner rod runs in and the brass ring should have a half split insulating nylon ring under it to stop it contacting the metal of the column with the other end of the wire that protrudes out of the top of the column.
Sorry - its one thing I didnt photograph when I did mine as it all seemd to fit together easily, although I do occasionally have a problem with the self cancelling indicators.
John
The spring and nylon insulator go in the end of the column where the wire is and the other end of that wire should be connected to the brass ring, which in turn is a slip contact ring for two sprung metal contacts on the indicator stalk assembly. From the indicator assembly the purple wire continues to the ground side of the hooters.
There should be a white nylon bush in the end of the outer tube that the inner rod runs in and the brass ring should have a half split insulating nylon ring under it to stop it contacting the metal of the column with the other end of the wire that protrudes out of the top of the column.
Sorry - its one thing I didnt photograph when I did mine as it all seemd to fit together easily, although I do occasionally have a problem with the self cancelling indicators.
John
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Dave Burley
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Sep 18, 2014 06:34 PM
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Robert is correct. My NON-NA C has the same column as was used in '62-'67 MGBs here in the States (and probably Home Market too). But, like I said, it doesn't look like you're missing anything except the little circlip that holds it all in the steering shaft. Just needs to be stuffed back in there!
Keep after it-
Dave
Keep after it-
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Sep 19, 2014 06:22 AM
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To assist in clarification:
What does I'll have a butchers at it mean?
It mean's I'll have a look....it's cockney slang. (Butcher's hook = look)
Peterhead is a town in Scotland which is a Country now still a part of Great Britain aka UK.
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What does I'll have a butchers at it mean?
It mean's I'll have a look....it's cockney slang. (Butcher's hook = look)
Peterhead is a town in Scotland which is a Country now still a part of Great Britain aka UK.
Regards,
Robert Kirk
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