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stolizino Gary Kinslow
San Antonio, TX, USA   USA
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1969 MG MGB MkII "HRH Camille Of Marmite"
1974 MG MGB GT V8 Conversion "Grover"
2006 BMW M Roadster "Manfred"
2011 Audi A6 Avant Quattro "Seigfreid"    & more
My newly-acquired MGBGT V8 conversion is presently running 15" Dayton 72-spoke chrome tubeless wheels with Hankook Optimo H727 195/65R15 tires. I've decided that these wire wheels, even though they're 72-spoke, are simply inadequate to handle the torque generated by the engine, and I will soon order a set of the 15x5.5 Dunlop-style knock-off disc wheels with new tires. It will take a while to get these, as they're made-to-order.

Not posting in the BST forum yet, as I'm not yet ready to sell them. Just posting this now to gauge interest in the Dayton package, in as-new condition.



1969 MGB roadster "Camille" Pale Primrose, OEM hardtop and vinyl soft top, Nostalgic AC, Prestige Sunfast tonneau cover, four MWS 14" 60-spoke painted wires with 175/70R14 Kumho Solus KH16 tires, OE spare, OE dealer optional luggage rack, M4+OD, balanced and blueprinted (so said my builder) engine rebuilt w/all ARP, OE head 3-angle P&P w/large valves, Moss +0.040, Crane 342-0010 camshaft, duplex vernier timing gear chain, Crane PS91 coil, Crane XR3000 ignition, dual SU HS4 carbs, OE exhaust manifold, HD clutch and oil pump, flywheel lightened and balanced, Hella E-code H4 headlamps, Hayden electric fan, NGK BPR6EIX Iridium IX spark plugs, K&N air filters, Wix oil filter, Valvoline 20W50 VR1, Chevron Supreme. Entire car restored to reliable weekend driver level and ongoing. Hagerty C3+

2012 Mercedes E350 sedan palladium silver/grey leather
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2006 BMW M Roadster Interlagos Blue/black extended leather & carbon fibre dash 6M 3.2L I6 S54 330 hp

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LaVerne LaVerne Downey
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1969 MG MGB "The Beater"
1979 Triumph TR8 "Turd 8"
I'm not questioning your thoughts but I do wonder about the wheels ability to handle the torque. Jaguar used the 72 spokers with 285lbs of advertised torque with the 4.2 in line 6. I would think the 3.5 Rover would have to have a pretty wild build to top that figure. Just wondering.

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Be Coming Kelvin Dodd
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In reply to # 3134854 by stolizino I've decided that these wire wheels, even though they're 72-spoke, are simply inadequate to handle the torque generated by the engine


I think there are 289 Cobra and Ferrari owners that will disagree with you. Carol Shelby is probably tittering in his grave.


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JoeReed Joe Reed
Cordova, TN, USA   USA
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If you decide to change, you should check out the spline drive 15" alloy wheels that Hap now has available...

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Check the date code on the tires. Since that car has had so little use, you may want to change the tires if they are old even if you keep the wheels. Help here from Tire Rack...

Date code

Tire manufacturers warranty their tires for 5 years (or X number of miles). Most think 7 year old tires are pushing it from an age standpoint. Certainly 10 year old tires are not safe for high performance driving.

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stolizino Gary Kinslow
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1969 MG MGB MkII "HRH Camille Of Marmite"
1974 MG MGB GT V8 Conversion "Grover"
2006 BMW M Roadster "Manfred"
2011 Audi A6 Avant Quattro "Seigfreid"    & more
First, in regard to the tire manufacture date: 1411 (week 14, year 2011), so they have a few good years remaining, and they have very few miles on them. It's just simpler for me to sell them with the wheels, although I may check with local tire shops to determine if they have any trade-in value. These tires are mid-priced all-season tires, but not high performance by any means.

As for the wheels themselves, here is one opinion concerning spokes with the V8:
http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/v8_conversions/rogv8.html
Wheels and tyres are often a very personal choice and it is true that the biggest visual change that can be done to any car is to change its wheels. The basic choice is between wire and disc wheels. Experience with wires shows that only the visible aspect is in the positive, with virtually every operating aspect being negative. The original 60 spoke wires are simply not strong enough for long term absorption of V8 torque and will flex, distort and eventually fail. Uprated 72 spoke wheels are able to absorb the torque, but will also distort in use and so balance will be a problem. If there is a desire to use tyre profile of less than 70% aspect ratio then the need to use tubes in wires raises problems in obtaining the correct size of tube. Avon do some for the 15” wires that Morgan use with 60% aspect ratio tyres, but beyond that there is very little. On the positive side the amount of air that passes through the wire wheel will add very considerably to the brake efficiency, except in heavy rain when water will initially reduce brake response. The ideal choice has to be an alloy wheel of whatever design suits the owner. Size of the wheel should be limited to 6” width where standard body lines are retained. This applies to either 14” or 15” diameter but note that the maximum width of tyres will vary depending on the diameter, profile and make of tyre. The restricting factor is the arch clearance at the rear where only tyres of a nominal 185/70 or 195/60 section can be considered, before body modifications are needed. (65% profiles can also be considered, but check clearances) It is also true that the wheel offsets will also add to this equation so whatever your choice do step very carefully. Cars fitted with the Sebring or RV8 types of body kit have considerably greater clearances and here the temptation is to fit much bigger and wider tyres. The suspension and steering were designed during a period when ultra low profile tyres and very wide wheels were not available, so bear these factors in mind when selecting these and try and remain a little conservative. The steering weight and feel will be better for it.

Carol Shelby and the others obviously have never experienced the awesome power of the MG 3.5l V8 when it's unleashed.eye popping smiley

Besides, I need some kind of plausible excuse to justify spending roughly twice the price of the Daytons for Dunlop center-lock disc wheels. If I were inclined to go with the minilite replicas, I think the VTO wheels from Hap would be the way to go, but I'm fixated on the Dunlops.

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HiPowerShooter James Booker
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That little V8 isn't going to harm those wheels. If you simply don't like their looks and want something different that's one thing...believing(falsely) that that engine has too much "torque" is another.



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73 MGB. Tires: Round, black, hold air. Oil: Sometimes old, sometimes new...always slippery. Oil filter: Yellow, usually full of oil. Carbs: 2 SU HIF. Distributor: Yes. Headlights: Not that bright but bright enough. A bunch of other stuff most cars have but not really important enough to itemize. Oh, wait...it has a cool sounding exhaust with stickers on the chrome tips. Really slays the ladies...

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Benny Ben E
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In reply to # 3135028 by HiPowerShooter That little V8 isn't going to harm those wheels. If you simply don't like their looks and want something different that's one thing...believing(falsely) that that engine has too much "torque" is another.

Exactly....couldn't have said that better myself.

Despite the pontificating in the opinion you quoted, history simply proves it wrong. There have been many, many heavier cars with more horsepower that came from the factory with wire wheels and the same splines as your car.

I once contacted Dayton, and asked them if they had any concerns with using 72-spoke wheels on a V8 MGB, and their response was "Go ahead, you'll spin the tire on the rim before you hurt our wheels".

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stolizino Gary Kinslow
San Antonio, TX, USA   USA
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1969 MG MGB MkII "HRH Camille Of Marmite"
1974 MG MGB GT V8 Conversion "Grover"
2006 BMW M Roadster "Manfred"
2011 Audi A6 Avant Quattro "Seigfreid"    & more
Hey, folks, lighten up! "I've decided" is nothing more than a subjective statement. My opinion only. Did you miss the part where I said,
In reply to # 3135022 by stolizino Carol Shelby and the others obviously have never experienced the awesome power of the MG 3.5l V8 when it's unleashed.eye popping smiley Besides, I need some kind of plausible excuse to justify spending roughly twice the price of the Daytons for Dunlop center-lock disc wheels.
I'm merely attempting to gauge interest in these wheels. If they're that good, better for me! But for this/my car, "I've decided" the Dunlops are more appropriate, so someone may have the opportunity to acquire these at a good price.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-11-27 01:47 AM by stolizino.

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Benny Ben E
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In reply to # 3135662 by stolizino Hey, folks, lighten up! "I've decided" is nothing more than a subjective statement. My opinion only.

I'm merely attempting to gauge interest in these wheels. If they're that good, better for me! But for this/my car, "I've decided" the Dunlops are more appropriate....

We get it....you're trying to convince yourself or your wife that you "need" Dunlop wheels. But, we've got enough misinformation on this site about wire wheels (and other things) without someone quoting some internet "expert" to make their mind up about new wheels.

Besides, I can't think of a worse sales pitch to gauge interest in a set of used wire wheels beyond claiming that your car has been putting too much power through its fragile wheels for the last however many years. eye rolling smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-11-27 07:14 PM by Benny.

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Stewart Stewart Langenberg
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1975 MG MGB
If your going to do dunlops go for it they are a great set of wheels. However make sure to change out the hubs for new even if you don't see much wear. Also on my 67 I needed to trim the rear wheel studs that hold the drum on as they were too long. If you don't trim then the studs will dig into the wheel and you will not be able to keep the wheels tight.

Also be aware that the wheels are heavy. Mine are 43 pounds with wheel tire and spinner.



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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2015-11-27 07:48 PM by Stewart.

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stolizino Gary Kinslow
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2011 Audi A6 Avant Quattro "Seigfreid"    & more
Thanks for the advice, Stewart!

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GaryDLowrie Gary Lowrie
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1974 MG MGB "Pearl" ~ For Sale ! ~
Please show a little more respect for Carroll Shelby and others.

At Norman, Oklahoma, Carroll drives in his first road race behind the wheel of a MG-TC, taking first place in a competition with other MGs. That same day, against hotter competition from Jaguar XK 120s, he wins again.

http://www.carrollshelby.com/#/1952-1960

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stolizino Gary Kinslow
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1969 MG MGB MkII "HRH Camille Of Marmite"
1974 MG MGB GT V8 Conversion "Grover"
2006 BMW M Roadster "Manfred"
2011 Audi A6 Avant Quattro "Seigfreid"    & more
In reply to # 3136149 by Benny But, we've got enough misinformation on this site about wire wheels (and other things) without someone quoting some internet "expert" to make their mind up about new wheels.
Roger Parker. Look him up. Not exactly some internet "expert" disseminating misinformation. Just because you've never heard of him and happen to disagree with his observations is no justification to be so dismissive of an acknowledged expert in the field, prolific writer and published author. But I get what you're saying. How about, I don't like them because the chrome is too flashy for my taste. Better? Benny, I'm not asking for, nor do I require your agreement with my rationale for changing wheels. My car. My wheels, which have fewer than 2000 miles on them. My opinion. My reasons, whatever they may be.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-11-28 12:02 AM by stolizino.

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Benny Ben E
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In reply to # 3136272 by stolizino Roger Parker. Look him up. Not exactly some internet "expert" disseminating misinformation. Just because you've never heard of him and happen to disagree with his observations is no justification to be so dismissive of an acknowledged expert in the field, prolific writer and published author. But I get what you're saying. How about, I don't like them because the chrome is too flashy for my taste. Better? Benny, I'm not asking for, nor do I require your agreement with my rationale for changing wheels. My car. My wheels, which have fewer than 2000 miles on them. My opinion. My reasons, whatever they may be.

I know who he is, and believing that he's an authority on something as specialized as wheel design is silly, when (as I said before) decades of real world and racing experience have shown his THEORY to be wrong.

You want to change your blingy wheels....go ahead, nobody cares....just don't make it about something it's not.

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