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77B Smog Gear Removal
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I read a bunch of threads about smog gear removal but didn't find any with photos. Also don't think one has ben posted too recently.
Not looking to be judged about this. Everything is going in a box for (maybe) reinstall at some point but for this stage of my "renewal" it's better for me to have this stuff off and stored away.
I am leaving the charcoal can as it's a passive system with no moving parts to break.
- So photo 1 is the before shot of the right side.
- I pulled air manifold, carb hot air box, hot air box shroud, gulp valve and air pump.
- Found the front manifold nut loose! Tightened it and checked the rest. The back one was also loose!
- I was please to find no bound up bolts or nuts - everything came apart really easy.
- Photo 2 is right side after - I have yet to pick up the manifold plugs and some rubber plugs for various vacuum tubes
- Photo 3 is the left side after gear removal - hot box, shroud and gulp valve.
- Photo 4 is all the gear on the bench prior to careful boxing and storage.
Probably going to source a K&N filter and store the ugly black box away. Dual carb conversion is tempting but probably in the distant future...
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-05-29 08:38 PM by Ex-Calif.
Not looking to be judged about this. Everything is going in a box for (maybe) reinstall at some point but for this stage of my "renewal" it's better for me to have this stuff off and stored away.
I am leaving the charcoal can as it's a passive system with no moving parts to break.
- So photo 1 is the before shot of the right side.
- I pulled air manifold, carb hot air box, hot air box shroud, gulp valve and air pump.
- Found the front manifold nut loose! Tightened it and checked the rest. The back one was also loose!
- I was please to find no bound up bolts or nuts - everything came apart really easy.
- Photo 2 is right side after - I have yet to pick up the manifold plugs and some rubber plugs for various vacuum tubes
- Photo 3 is the left side after gear removal - hot box, shroud and gulp valve.
- Photo 4 is all the gear on the bench prior to careful boxing and storage.
Probably going to source a K&N filter and store the ugly black box away. Dual carb conversion is tempting but probably in the distant future...
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-05-29 08:38 PM by Ex-Calif.
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Roger that...
Because this car is so original and so complete I have decided to make no irreversible mods.
Anything I do will be stock or "stock-like" or "invisible" - i.e. internal engine mods.
When I get this one where I want it (Daily Driver not show car) I may get a straight bodied one that has already been altered as a pallette to play the modification game...
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
Because this car is so original and so complete I have decided to make no irreversible mods.
Anything I do will be stock or "stock-like" or "invisible" - i.e. internal engine mods.
When I get this one where I want it (Daily Driver not show car) I may get a straight bodied one that has already been altered as a pallette to play the modification game...
In reply to # 2999653 by mowog1
Save everything that has been removed.
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
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If you are keeping the ZS carb you can not change out the air filter. John Twist discusses it in one of his videos on the ZS. There is something about the resistance of the air flow that the OEM air filter box creates that is matched and balanced to the carb.
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Keep ARO
Keep charcoal canister and piping hooked up
use 7/16"-20 fine threaded bolts 3/4" long to plug air injector ports
lose the cat converter you can get or make a non cat pipe
is your 1977 equipped with TCSA?
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Keep charcoal canister and piping hooked up
use 7/16"-20 fine threaded bolts 3/4" long to plug air injector ports
lose the cat converter you can get or make a non cat pipe
is your 1977 equipped with TCSA?
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In reply to # 2999714 by ohlord
Keep ARO
Keep charcoal canister and piping hooked up
use 7/16"-20 fine threaded bolts 3/4" long to plug air injector ports
lose the cat converter you can get or make a non cat pipe
is your 1977 equipped with TCSA?
Keep charcoal canister and piping hooked up
use 7/16"-20 fine threaded bolts 3/4" long to plug air injector ports
lose the cat converter you can get or make a non cat pipe
is your 1977 equipped with TCSA?
Sorry - Still acronym challenged as a newbie.
ARO?
TCSA?
Keeping the canister for sure...
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
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In reply to # 2999713 by calsunshine
If you are keeping the ZS carb you can not change out the air filter. John Twist discusses it in one of his videos on the ZS. There is something about the resistance of the air flow that the OEM air filter box creates that is matched and balanced to the carb.
Thanks. I'll have to dig that video up and reconcile the fact that Moss sells a K&N for the ZS175-CD.
Hmmm...
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
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Yup - I understand what you are saying.
But what Moss is selling (I think) is this - http://www.summitracing.com/oh/parts/knn-56-1620/applications/
So someone thinks a replacement filter housing is OK...
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
But what Moss is selling (I think) is this - http://www.summitracing.com/oh/parts/knn-56-1620/applications/
So someone thinks a replacement filter housing is OK...
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
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Modern cars self adjust their fuel delivery to compensate for differing airflows.....
None computerized cars like ours it's up to you to correct the fuel flow if you dramatically
change the airflow.........K&N are simply saying this filter fits that particular carb....
I doubt very much they have actually tested it, they make hundreds of different filters......
The real solution is a rolling road session....
None computerized cars like ours it's up to you to correct the fuel flow if you dramatically
change the airflow.........K&N are simply saying this filter fits that particular carb....
I doubt very much they have actually tested it, they make hundreds of different filters......
The real solution is a rolling road session....
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In reply to # 2999770 by Ex-Calif
Yup - I understand what you are saying.
But what Moss is selling (I think) is this - http://www.summitracing.com/oh/parts/knn-56-1620/applications/
So someone thinks a replacement filter housing is OK...
But what Moss is selling (I think) is this - http://www.summitracing.com/oh/parts/knn-56-1620/applications/
So someone thinks a replacement filter housing is OK...
Thanks for that. I definitely have a lot to learn about the MG/ZS carb and intake characterstics.
Reprofiling needle valves doesn't seem worth it in the short term...
The UBB (Ugly Black Box) stays for now...
Prolly a good thing as I have two new spare filter elements for it...
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-05-30 10:39 AM by Ex-Calif.
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OK - I am really not that "complain about the DPO" kinda guy but WTF? I had to post this one...
I reckon if have to keep the UBB at least I am gonna clean it up and paint it...
So I pull it off and it rattles. I look inside and find a freakin' spark plug inside the plenum after the filter element - How the frick did it get in there? - And the worst part is it doesn't even fit an MGB!
Maybe PO was told the intake air needs to mix with spark for combustion to occur?
So that's a spark plug in the UBB and a brand new distributor cap in the passenger side fender well...
Note the "super groovy" choke cable that is held on with tie wraps and does absolutely nothing to actuate the choke.
I can't wait to see what I find next. I am doing sparky stuff this evening - that's gonna be hilarious...
We now resume our regularly scheduled programming - carry on...
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-05-30 10:41 AM by Ex-Calif.
I reckon if have to keep the UBB at least I am gonna clean it up and paint it...
So I pull it off and it rattles. I look inside and find a freakin' spark plug inside the plenum after the filter element - How the frick did it get in there? - And the worst part is it doesn't even fit an MGB!
Maybe PO was told the intake air needs to mix with spark for combustion to occur?
So that's a spark plug in the UBB and a brand new distributor cap in the passenger side fender well...
Note the "super groovy" choke cable that is held on with tie wraps and does absolutely nothing to actuate the choke.
I can't wait to see what I find next. I am doing sparky stuff this evening - that's gonna be hilarious...
We now resume our regularly scheduled programming - carry on...
The goal - Reliable summer driver interspersed with mechanical tinkering...
Motto - "Driving fifty in the twisties..."
On Mods - It's your damn car - Do what you want. Haters gonna hate...
On SUVs - Drive your B like a soccer mom is texting her friends about how she wants to kill you...
Red Betty - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHN5UH418165
Bart - http://www.mgexp.com/registry/GHD4U146898G
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-05-30 10:41 AM by Ex-Calif.
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Send that ZS to the metal recyclers, and get some SU's you won't believe the difference.
I've done 3 cars now, and each one amazes me.
But keep that emissions crap. Some people are (still) moving into California!
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This car is now very nearly completely done. Sure to find something else, but not now.........And 12 years later, I'm starting to fix things that were new when we built the car. It's pretty well de-bugged!
I've done 3 cars now, and each one amazes me.
But keep that emissions crap. Some people are (still) moving into California!
Wayne Sanders
Rose Lodge, OR
(TD 4288)
"I don't care to belong to any club that accepts people like me"-joined Willamette Valley Club in 2011
79/65 MGB - Carmine- V-6 - T-5
This car is now very nearly completely done. Sure to find something else, but not now.........And 12 years later, I'm starting to fix things that were new when we built the car. It's pretty well de-bugged!
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